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Name: Sherry Burgess
Email: blue4summer@yahoo.com
Date: 10/30/2009 1:50:50 PM
Message:
Hello Out There Folks,
I just wanted to take this time to once again thank Piedmont Mountainside and all its staff and my Dr. Barrett for the wonderful care I have recieved.
I would like to also thank my wonderful friends and family for the support I have recieved from them.
I would also like to thank all of Danny's brothers for their caring support. Thank-you so much. To whoever sent us the wonderful and needed gift in the mail yesterday, Thank-you and may God's specail blessings be upon you and all who have so wonderfully helped our family through this difficult time. Again many thanks.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/30/2009 1:41:50 PM
Message:
Chuck, I wish you would stop trying to post personal information, or whatever you claim you have discovered about me. My life has no bearing on anything here, and if anything about it is posted on a message board I will be the one to do it. Feel free to try to find me on the sex offender list, or whatever is in the public domain-knock yourself out because I'm not there, and have no criminal record. But leave anything and everything regarding my life out of the pages of this or any public venue.
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/30/2009 1:27:45 PM
Message:
Chooch....how do you know Rob is not living off savings? I beleive you stated in the past your wife is on disability....does this mean she's not entitled to have an opinion on taxes. Maybe we should change the way we vote as well. Maybe only the wealthy should vote...after all they do pay the majority of the taxes.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/30/2009 1:20:27 PM
Message:
Old Gerd, ok, I’ll humor you.
“That you dodge questions with veiled, foggy, and mis-guided answers if you do reply to direct questions. (Like the issue of climate change... you present alot of great essays but have yet to PRESENT ANY DATA to prove the earth is not warming.)"
This is quite obviously your opinion, you can keep it. I have no duty to respond to accusations that I dodge questions with whatever kind of logic you require of me. I can, actually address whatever things I want to, whatever I take a notion to address. If it bothers you, pssssssst… guess what…. TOUGH.
I have discussed global warming data already. Whether you get it or not, understand it or not, is your problem. If you have made up your own mind, good for you. I have shown opinions and referred to studies conducted by significant numbers of highly credentialed scientists and organizations that AT MINIMUM show the absence of a consensus within the scientific community. I do not intend to repeat myself over and over again until YOU get it, because frankly I don’t think you ever will. At least someone else just might form an opinion that we shouldn’t, as a nation commit to programs that will further undermine our broken economy based solely on ONE side of the story: the liberal environmentalist movement.
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 10/30/2009 1:00:55 PM
Message:
There is huge difference in being afraid of someone, and believeing someone poses a threat to them, themselves, their family or property. Don't play lawyer with me. I wasn't afraid of the Iraqi guard either, but knew the threat was quite real. Like I said, fear is not the issue. The question is, does a reasonable threat exist. If so, the wise thing to do is involve the police, since I did receive what I consider to be viable threatening language. And I will leave the PCSO's opinions for them to make. It is not wise to discuss this on a web board.
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 10/30/2009 10:51:18 AM
Message:
$0 income
+ ZERO property ownership
= paying taxes
This might signal someone who is sheltering their income very well to "avoid" their "fair share" of taxes.
-or-
This does indeed cause people to pay even more taxes since we all have to pay more taxes to make up for someone who is a ward of the state or possibly a free loading liberal.
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 10/30/2009 10:27:33 AM
Message:
Old Gaurd: You should stop letting people pull your finger and that would recoup some of the Global Warming problem.
I know you were misled by things in the past, we all were, but on the brighter side we now have the "Other white Meat" you spoke of earlier.
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 10/30/2009 10:17:15 AM
Message:
Chooch… I know your world is confused but we do call this a threat where I come from. I cut your posting here:
“Do not, I repeat , do not make any more false accusations reference me or you just might get more than you want out of me. That is not a threat. That's a promise.”
By the way I am glad you’re checking out neighborhoods for your family. I just hope to hell you stay away from mine because we don’t need Village Idiots living near us. Thank ya much.
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/30/2009 10:01:57 AM
Message:
Chooch...again your taxpayer logic is interesting. I checked out your house on the tax digest. Mine is worth more...not to mention all the other taxes I pay in this county. So does my word, on taxes, hold more weight than yours?
Name: Chooch
Email: chendrixjr@frontiernet.net
Date: 10/30/2009 9:34:28 AM
Message:
My youngest son and his family moved here recently and will be looking for a home for the next few months. I want to try to make sure they live in a decent neighborhood with as few nutcases as is possible because they have a 4 year old girl among other general concerns. I check the sex offenders registry when something of interest comes up that might be suitable for him and his family.
I don't want my son or his family living close to someone that obviously has some screws loose, so I checked the tax rolls for "Robs" name. [deleted]. I live in the Chimney Ridge development off of Henderson Mountain Road and hope to find something in this area for them. So to you people that want to make accusations about stalking, perhaps someday you will have family relocating to this area. You better not check things out for the sake of their safety and well-being. You might be accused of stalking. As I have stated previously, when my radar alerts that something is amiss because of something someone does or says, I check them out. I've done this for years and will continue to do so. You would be amazed at what you can find out about people using the right tools. You can find out all kinds of things. Even without social security numbers. Its pretty easy to find out [section deleted].
And Rob: Just for you. I tend to believe the deputy that showed up at my house that stated you made a complaint because you were afraid I was going to "beat you up" as he told me. You have repeatedly lied on this message board and this is no exception. Quite frankly I could care less how many times you call the sheriff. You make false accusations on a daily basis and even the PCSO is aware of it. If you are not afraid of me as you claim, you obviously made a false complaint to the Sheriff's Department. That is illegal you know. But your stupid enough to put in writing on a message board that you are not afraid of me. If your purpose of making a complaint was to document it as you claim, if your purpose was to document things, why was the Sheriff's Department not aware of the emails you sent me until I provided them to them. It was nothing more than a childish way to harrass me, and the needless dispatch of a law enforcement official that could well have been doing something of more importance than running down a false complaint. No deputy would have come to my house telling me you a made a complaint that you were afraid of me if it did not happen. You remind me a lot of the kid on the playground that starts crap then runs behind the teacher for protection.
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/30/2009 9:04:37 AM
Message:
Pinto...you actually made sense..somewhat. Your right it is wrong to "make" congressmen use government healthcare if there are other choices. However, if everyone ends up on government healthcare...which is the ultimate goal of Obama...then congressmen and all other politicians should to. Ever wonder why presidents kids don't attend public schools? Except Carter and well enough said...
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/30/2009 8:59:10 AM
Message:
Big Suprise! Many of our states do not require their schools to meet suggested federal minimum requirements. Why doesn't Obama fix our schools. These kids are who will be running this country someday. Scary!
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/30/2009 8:58:49 AM
Message:
Pelosi’s merged health care bill was rolled out yesterday. All 2000 pages of it. This coincides with a new AP report that the government’s announcement that 30,000 jobs were created from the $787 billion stimulus plan was exaggerated. In some cases the jobs number was falsely reported by a factor of 10. This places the actual job creation number at around 4000.
Also revealed was the fact that Medicare fraud costs taxpayers $50 billion PER YEAR, (that’s billion-with a B) and the federal home buyer’s tax credit program mailed out 19,000 checks to fraudulent claims; checks averaging thousands of dollars each. Oh, and don’t forget the CARS program report that shows taxpayers paid an average of $24,000 per vehicle sale during cash for clunkers.
How do any of these facts lead America to feel confident that the US government can take over health care and run it effectively and efficiently? Without a dime added to the deficit? Without raising taxes? Without a constitutional mandate? Without approval of the citizens of the United States?
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/30/2009 8:54:06 AM
Message:
Chooch....Your recent antics really reinforce the reason many of us choose to stay anonimous. Threatening Rob and trying to make sure everyone knows who he really is is childish. We are also in the worst economic times since the 30's. A LOT of people are having trouble finding work. It is very obvious you hold a personal grudge against Rob. Get over it! All of this because you hold different political views. You are coming off as a complete loon! Get it together.
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 10/30/2009 8:40:29 AM
Message:
Don`t worry about what people think, they don`t do it very often
Guess what... we DON'T have the money. Trillions of dollars in debt and we want to add another trillion dollar program called health care!
Democrats are no match for natural stupidity…..
Name: Chooch
Email: chendrixjr@frontiernet.net
Date: 10/30/2009 8:39:36 AM
Message:
Sorry it took so long to respond to the idiots that call others stupid. It is impossible for someone with no income or owning property to be paying taxes. Only a total idiot would make such an assertion. If you have no income how would one be paying taxes? You have to have money to spend in grocery or retail stores to even be paying sales taxes. If you own no property, and have no money to spend because your unemployed, your not paying taxes. Regardless what Bob Hayles and others would try to convince others. I guess all the people that are living on welfare and have no employment are paying taxes as well. Anybody with a lick of common sense knows in order to pay taxes a person has to spend money or earn it or own property. If you don't, you are not paying taxes you nut cases. Try convincing somebody else that:
$0 income
+ ZERO property ownership
= paying taxes
Who is stupid?
Name: Ed Jones Jr.
Email: sargon1@windstream.net
Date: 10/29/2009 8:05:22 PM
Message:
A short story about an ant and a grasshopper...
Old Version
_____________
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long , building his house and laying up supplies for the winter .
The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away .
Come winter , the ant is warm and well fed .
The grasshopper has no food or shelter , so he dies out in the cold snow .
Moral of the story : Be responsible for yourself .
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Modern Version
The ant works hard in the withering heat and the rain all summer long , building his house and laying up supplies for the winter .
The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away .
Come winter , the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while he is cold and starving .
CBS,NBC,PBS,CNN and ABC all show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food .
America IS stunned by the sharp contrast !
How can this be , that in a country of such wealth , this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so ?
Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper and everybody cries when they sing " It's Not Easy Being Green ."
ACORN stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing , " We Shall Overcome ." Then Rev Jeremiah Wright has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake .
President Obama condemns the ant and blames President Bush , President Reagan , Christopher Columnus , and the Pope for the grasshopper's plight .
Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the ant has gotten RICH off the back of the grasshopper , and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share .
Finally , the EEOC drafts the Economic Equality & Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer .
The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and , having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes , his home is confiscated by the Government's Green Czar and given to the grasshopper .
This sad story ends as we see the grasshopper and his free-loading friends finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in , which , as you recall , just happens to be the ant's old house , crumbles around them because the grasshopper doesn't maintain it.
The ant has disappeared into the snow , never to be seen again .
The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident , and the house , now abandoned , is taken over by a gang of spiders who who terrorize the ramshackle , once prosperous and once peaceful , neighborhood .
The entire Nation collapses , bringing the rest of the free world down with it .
Moral Of The Story : Be Very careful how you vote in 2010 !
Name: Lucy
Email: longlegs.lucy@yahoo.com
Date: 10/29/2009 6:20:07 PM
Message:
It’s hard to criticize, condemn or complain about a topic unless you have the facts and more importantly, that the facts are correct.
Remember the old saying, if you don’t like the numbers this economist gives you, go look for another one until you find one you like.
Based on my experience with government, the numbers can always be skewed to put their visions in its best light.
The information being used in the clunkers for cash program is in question. The government paid $8,500 a car, but no information given as to the cost to administer the program. Could anyone argue that the cost for the feds to do anything is cost effective?
However, the numbers listed by Edmunds, was based on statistics and statistics can be skewed to prove the desired outcome the statistician wanted. This is not to say that Edmunds is not correct, but I would bet that it is not exactly $25,000 but possibly not even close.
Each of us has a tendency to pick and choose the information we need in order to prove our point.
Are any of the following statements subjects worthy of discussion?
1. All his life, Obama seems to have surrounded himself with known socialist.
2. Obama has placed people in many high staff positions that seem to have socialist backgrounds.
3. The Democrats seem to be leaning more and more toward socialism every day.
4. It is not the will of the majority, that we have a socialist based government.
5. Obama has made publics statements on more than one occasion that he wants to “spread the wealth”. Is this a socialist concept?
6. Obama is a socialist.
7. The numbers given for the Health Bill are to be trusted.
8. The Health Bill is “Debt Neutral”.
9. The majority party of the Federal Government is giving truthful information and believes in free enterprise.
Discussions anyone?
Lucy
Name: Old Guard
Email:
Date: 10/29/2009 4:40:39 PM
Message:
Guys,
Do you realize a majority of US debt is the 700,000,000,000 dollars (and increasing by the second)we are spending on the Iraq and Afganistain wars.
Currently, this has been our most costly war and a high factor of our inflation and economy. For what? So we are policing the countries but what are we accomplishing there? To win there we must understand the Muslim and their Quran.
Name: Old Guard
Email:
Date: 10/29/2009 4:20:08 PM
Message:
Rob,
You proved my point. You ignored my point #6 on that posting.
"6) That you dodge questions with veiled, foggy, and mis-guided answers if you do reply to direct questions. (Like the issue of climate change... you present alot of great essays but have yet to PRESENT ANY DATA to prove the earth is not warming.)"
I swore I would never take a party side in a discussion but Rob drove me to it. I do not support Obama and, for the record voted for Reagan, Bush Sr. and Jr., as well as Nixon, but voted for Carter for a switch in party. I've found every president to be looking out for their own financial wellness and not the peoples.
Rob, I'm still waiting for the solid data to prove your stand on climate change and not the quotes of others essays. Everything you presented only showed that the climate is indeed warming. If you had posted that the average temperature was declining by 1 degree that would be a decrease.
If I may explain myself to you, I once was brainwashed into believing my government was right back then but I now live with the results of the nuclear failout training and asbestos. They knew what that stuff would do to me and didn't care.
Oh BTW Rob, that "go to hell" was in response to your badgering me and not an openning to a conversation. State the facts and not one sided lies! Of course when you are soooooo wise as you are, you wouldn't know. Also, that comment about bumpkins was misunderstood by you (must not comprehend english well?). I was saying you are so "above" everyone that us illiterate "country bumpkins" don't understand you. Perhaps, its because of your territorial mis-location among the states...if you know what I mean. I'll buy fare for you if you can't afford it.
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 10/29/2009 3:18:15 PM
Message:
Chooch....nice try for you liberals however...
The US is now flirting with an immediate debt of around $14 trillion (US Treasury bonds etc, and not including future liabilities like Medicare). The US now passes a key level of indebtedness considered to be a first stage of crisis. That puts US current debt at 100 pct of GDP. Just this week, the US needs to sell a record $130 plus billion of debt, for one week.
Sorta like being excited about your raise when you are in debt up to your eyeballs.
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 10/29/2009 2:29:53 PM
Message:
Pinto...Didn't read all your rubbish post but I did call you the Village Idiot because you are. And yes that is a title not just a name and you deserve every bit of it.
Now go take your meds...
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/29/2009 2:16:53 PM
Message:
1. Stalking? If you even thought for a minute I was "stalking" you, you would have called the Sheriff.
What makes you think I didn’t?
2. You called to say you were afraid of me
I did nothing of the kind. I went to the Sherriff’s office to make a complaint of harassing communication. I further told the deputy I wish you no ill will, but I do want the threats documented for the benefit of all parties. Even you. I am far from afraid of you. I have met the Marine, and wouldn’t care to scrap with that guy, but this has nothing to do with fear. It’s just common sense. Your ego is just too big.
3. Not to mention I never said that you did not own property
You, Chuck, wrote this: “I could be mistaken, but in order to pay taxes, one must have an income or own property and pay taxes on said property ). How is it somebody with no income and owning no property in the county is so concerned with how tax dollars are spent? Its easy enough to go to the county and check the tax roles and see who owns property and is paying taxes... just like some people claim they have done with Ritter. Hi Rob. How ya doin'?”
If you think any person on the face of the planet wouldn’t take this statement as fact that you are at your computer looking up my property taxes you are a fool. Tax records are public domain, but they are there for purposes other than what you are using them for. No one is doing that to you, Chuck. Remember that speech you made about honor?
I get the cynicism about my employment situation. Believe me; no one knows more than me how ugly my current situation is and how hard it is for us to live on one income aside from what side projects I do. It is repugnant that someone would laugh at a person who is out of work, but this is how you operate.
You can’t take it when someone has not only a different opinion than yours but has the wherewithal to present intelligent and fact-based retort that shows the flaws in your “research”. That is something that’s very personal to you and ego won’t allow you to admit you were wrong. So you turn everything into a battle of testosterone which is really all you are capable of in the end.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/29/2009 1:40:22 PM
Message:
I was waiting to see if anyone was going to bring up Obama's praise of the GDP numbers. Chuck let me tell you what comprises the GDP: CIG, which means Consumption, Investment, and Government spending.
The C and the I are both down as usual. Government spending, specifically the homeowner tax credit and cash for clunkers, as I indicated earlier that cost taxpayers $24,000 PER SALE, was up by billions of dollars which artificially reflects a jump in GDP.
Anything else?
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/29/2009 1:12:52 PM
Message:
BobHayles...Yep my renters reimburse me for taxes, insurance and upkeep. Called overhead. Wonder why Chooch had such a hard time understanding this? Hmmm maybe he's not as smart as he thinks!
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/29/2009 1:08:20 PM
Message:
Jack...thanks for the link to Congressman Flemming site. Couldn't get on. Hopefully its due to too many people signing his pledge to make congress accept government insurance as well. What's a republican congressman doing in Louisiana? Thought they were Bush haters there?
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/29/2009 1:05:21 PM
Message:
Lucy...yes the dem's want to restrict talk radio....knew this one was coming. Know of any successful left-wing radio stations? hmm. Maybe because when people actually start talking about the democrats agenda it doesn't sound so good. Welcome to the Board! You had a lot of good points.
Name: pinto colvig
Email: not@home
Date: 10/29/2009 12:05:07 PM
Message:
NonVet - how revealing and unworthy of this message board and this nation you show yourself by posting a missive decrying name-calling by doing nothing but calling people names, and illustrating your preferred method of throwing hissy fits instead of arguing any real issues or facst.
I haven't even addressed you lately so your conscience must be really bothering you as you know you are always wrong. I think your personal issues will only get worse the more you participate on this message board.
anyway you obviously have a different definition of "success" than the patriots among us, and that is an abolition of freedom of choice, no more freedom of speech, return to slavery, only one religion that everyone must follow, return to segregation, GOP dictatorship, socialism, loss of freedom all around, etc. if that is what the NonVet calls success, then dam right I hope this country fails...
jerk or jack or jim...those republicans are only showing who the real socialists are. a bill to force people to use one kind of health insurance, versus one that gives everyone more options than they have now...hhmmmm....yep I just checked google - one of these proposals is socialist...by the way, don't forget that most congressman over the age of 65 are using medicare already...
Name: insider
Email: insider
Date: 10/29/2009 11:56:50 AM
Message:
Mom
The spec ed director,spec ed teacher, and principal are up to something. Watch out for the para as well. Your kid is awesome. Don't let them beat you down. You have support in the school, we just have to keep it quite. I wish more parents were like you. Best of Luck.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/29/2009 10:34:44 AM
Message:
By the way, folks, if you are a liberal and summarily discard the notion that cap and trade is going to cripple the economy (yes, it can get worse), perhaps you will believe the Chosen One's own words:
President Barack Obama is aware of the effect this tax will have on your family's budget. While still a candidate for president, then-Sen. Obama said that under his cap-and-tax plan, utility rates would "necessarily skyrocket," and said that those costs would be passed along to consumers.
All this for a hundredth of a degree temperature difference over 100 years?
Name: Chooch
Email: chendrixjr@frontiernet.net
Date: 10/29/2009 9:51:42 AM
Message:
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The U.S. economy grew at a 3.5% annual rate in the third quarter, ending a string of declines over four quarters that resulted in the most severe slide since the Great Depression.
The growth, reported by the government Thursday morning, was slightly stronger than expectations. Economists surveyed by Briefing.com had forecast 3.2% growth in gross domestic product, the broadest measure of the nation's economic activity. The economy shrank at a 0.7% rate in the second quarter.
The positive GDP report is one more sign that the economy has likely pulled out of the deep recession that started in December 2007.
Since there is never, ever, anything positive posted by the people that make regular postings on this board reference the government and the current administration, and knowing that nobody would, I thought I would submit this little tidbit of information to keep the nut cases busy.
Stalking? If you even thought for a minute I was "stalking" you, you would have called the Sheriff. You remember the sheriff don't you Brian? You called to say you were afraid of me. Accused me of making threats to harm you. False accusations at that. Afraid of a medically retired soldier about 20 years older than you. You remember that don't you? Accused me of terroristic acts to boot...lmao. Not to mention I never said that you did not own property, I asked how you were doing at the end of my posting. I did not say you did not own property but thanks for clearing that up for everyone. Everyone now knows your wife supports you. I said I find it interesting that people not on the tax roles are the people raising cain about taxes. I'm glad you were able to find a woman that could take care of you however. I'm glad your wife is employed and able to support you also. Not every man is lucky enough to have a woman to take care of their financial needs.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/29/2009 9:50:17 AM
Message:
Old Gerd.
Your opinion is noted in the record. However, your defense of Obama doesn’t hold up in the situation. Please follow closely:
Article I, § 9, clause 8, of the Constitution states that “no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.” Regardless of what you think the constitution is talking about, that is what it SAYS.
(Emolument refers to “compensation or reward”)
When Roosevelt won the Peace Prize, there was apparently no controlling statute. Today there is: 5 USC § 7342 (titled “Receipt and disposition of foreign gifts and decorations”) sets out the conditions under which foreign gifts can be accepted without a separate action of Congress. The statute applies to an “employee,” which includes “the President and the Vice President.”
A “foreign government” includes” any agent or representative of any such (foreign) unit or such organization, while acting as such.” Since the Nobel Peace Prize committee is appointed by the Norwegian Storting (the legislature), it falls within the scope of the statute.
A “gift” is “a tangible or intangible present (other than a decoration) .” A “decoration” includes a ” medal, badge, insignia, emblem, or award.”
Obama is set to receive a diploma, a 196-gram gold medal, and a large check (around $1.4 million I believe) the spot price of gold is $33 a gram, so the medal and the check obviously do not qualify for the “minimal value” exception assigned by congress to gifts. He could keep the diploma, unless it comes in a big gold frame. He also cannot accept the cash for donation purposes.
He ALSO cannot accept it if the awarding body has a substantial interest in what it is awarding for, and such that the awardee has unique influence over. In this case, the Norwegian committee is obviously trying to influence U.S. foreign policy in a particular direction, and is making the award in part to further those interests.
This just supports the reasoning that the constitutional article addresses. The founders made sure that our president could not be influenced by any foreign governing entity by accepting gifts and rewards.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/29/2009 9:18:05 AM
Message:
Oops! I'm very sorry, Bob. I sure did goof that one. Thank you Bob for the clarification on who actually pays property taxes. I don't know how my needle got stuck on Al, but I appreciate YOUR input on that matter very much.
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 10/29/2009 9:17:46 AM
Message:
Jack... I'll check out the website you posted. Congress was not intended to vote on laws etc that excluded themselves. It seems we somehow have overlooked that and they take care of themselves first. It's about time we all speak up and make that change. They do work for us last I heard...or do they???
Name: Jack
Email: jack@weaverville.com
Date: 10/29/2009 8:53:38 AM
Message:
someone brought up this suggestion several days ago. It won't happen, but here it is House Resolution 615
Subject: HR 615 -
On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a two-page amendment, courtesy of Republican Tom Coburn which would require all Members of Congress and their staff members to enroll in any new government-run health plan.
Congressman John Fleming has proposed an amendment that would require Congressmen and Senators to take the same health care plan that they would force on us. (Under proposed legislation they are exempt.)
Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go to his Website and sign his petition. The process is very simple. I have done just that at:
http://fleming.house.gov/index.html .
Senator Coburn and Congressman Fleming are both physicians.
Regardless of your political beliefs, it sure seems reasonable that Congress should have exactly the same medical coverage that they impose on the rest of us.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/29/2009 8:47:31 AM
Message:
Good job, Democratic congress! True to form, democrats have done the obvious: create a huge spending program that does nothing but cost us money. Coming soon!! Health care and cap and tax!!!
Contact:
Jeannine Fallon/Chintan Talati
Edmunds.com Corporate Communications
www.Edmunds.com
Media Hotline: 310-309-4900
pr@edmunds.com
Cash for Clunkers Results Finally In: Taxpayers Paid $24,000 per Vehicle Sold, Reports Edmunds.com
SANTA MONICA, Calif. — October 28, 2009 — Edmunds.com, the premier resource for online automotive information, has determined that Cash for Clunkers cost taxpayers $24,000 per vehicle sold.
Nearly 690,000 vehicles were sold during the Cash for Clunkers program, officially known as CARS, but Edmunds.com analysts calculated that only 125,000 of the sales were incremental. The rest of the sales would have happened anyway, regardless of the existence of the program.
Ironically, the average transaction price for a new vehicle in August 2009 was only $26,915 minus an average cash rebate of $1,667.
"This analysis is valuable for two reasons," explained Edmunds.com CEO Jeremy Anwyl. "First, it can form the basis for a complete assessment of the program's impact and costs. Second—and more important—it can help us to understand the true state of auto sales and the economy. For example, October sales are up, but without Cash for Clunkers, sales would have been even better. This suggests that the industry's recovery is gaining momentum."
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/29/2009 8:20:07 AM
Message:
This falls in the "Oh my God! You must be kidding me!" category:
Rangel introduces offshore tax-cheat bill - Glenn Thrush: Rangel introduces offshore tax-cheat billOctober 28, 2009
Categories:House Democrats.Rangel introduces offshore tax-cheat bill
Every tax bill introduced by House Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel (D-NY) is getting the once-over from the GOP, so it's no surprise they took note of a bill, introduced by Rangel and Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) cracking down on offshore tax cheats.
The “Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act of 2009” -- introduced by Baucus and Rangel in conjunction with the Obama administration -- would mandate Individuals with offshore accounts provide details and list them on tax returns. Rules governing trusts would be "significantly strengthened" to prevent the true beneficiaries from hiding front entities.
Remember Charlie Rangel? The congressman who lied about his offshore holdings-among things-on his taxes? Rangel who has an active ethics investigation going on-for over a year now? Rangel should be the poster boy for the Democratic Party. No one knows about tax loopholes better than them, or Rangel.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/28/2009 5:45:54 PM
Message:
Lucy,
Thank you for posting, I enjoyed it very much. There is a lot of truth therein.
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 10/28/2009 5:22:45 PM
Message:
Old Guard, Chooch and Pinto...your postings are simply rubbish. You three make no sense, don't listen to reason from others but simply try to stir things up being different. You have little skills when it comes to making a point so you call others names or liars. Do the three of you really think your getting your points across??? All you do is show other how little you know and know deeply committed you are to seeing this country fail. I actually think you 3 would have a party if and when that happens.... Such a shame the three of you are.
Name: Bob Hayles
Email: roberthayles@windstream.net
Date: 10/28/2009 4:59:35 PM
Message:
Rob...you might go back and see who wrote the missive about who actually pays ALL taxes. Psssttt...it wasn't Al.
Name: Old Guard
Email:
Date: 10/28/2009 4:28:19 PM
Message:
Rob,
You are filling the shoes of Sen. Joseph McCarthy. When are you going to start your own "black list"? Lets start rounding them up!
As for the Constitution... its talking about a personal title like czar or king of such-an-such country not a Nobel Prize. If it were then Teddy Roosevelt would broken the Constitution as well in 1906.
Name: Kit
Email: Kit
Date: 10/28/2009 4:18:19 PM
Message:
blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah......blah,blah,blah..blah!!!!!!!!! who cares.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/28/2009 4:17:20 PM
Message:
Hi Gerd,
I’ll play your game.
1) That you don't really know what your talking about.
1. I know a lot of things about a lot of things. I’m not perfect, but better than most.
2) That you don't research and know the facts before presenting an opinion.
2. I do extensive research. None of it is high-level top secret work for a liberal think tank, like Chuck is reportedly engaged in, but I am an above average informed citizen. I often check both sides before making a post but my opinion has nothing to do with researching only that material which satisfies you and Chuck.
3) That you get insulting when anyone has an opinion opposite yours.
3. I have responded to this before. I give back what you put in. And trust me, I am extremely conservative with insults as compared to you and Chuck. Remember when you told me “Go to hell”? That was just a week ago!
4) That you only want to present information that will prove you as an Einstein to us "country bumpkins".
4. Gerd, I’m surprised you got the context of this wrong. Usually you are so sharp. I was called a bumpkin by Chuck a month ago. I was the intended victim of that name, and I simply satirized it recently. I was called a stupid bumpkin, among things. Truth is, I am indeed from SC, though spent 20 years in FL and around the world. My grandfather was governor and a senator and sorry, I have been to college.
5) That you ignore legitimate questions form others but insult others if they ignore your questions.
5. I ignore stupid questions that are meant to provoke me into a fight. Everyone can engage in thoughtful discussion, or heated ideological discourse but all you morons who take it so hard as to provoke a physical confrontation are just asking for trouble that grownups just shouldn’t ask for. It’s stupid to pick a fight over politics. It makes us our own enemy.
Regarding your final rant, it wasn’t my fault. You picked your side in the 50’s. But just so you know, the president of the US doesn’t spend the money-congress does. The president is just the cheerleader anymore. Been that way since Reagan left office. Your anger is best directed at the Democratic Party.
Name: Marine
Email: marine1
Date: 10/28/2009 4:05:27 PM
Message:
NamVet..So true on the gun issue!
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 10/28/2009 3:56:11 PM
Message:
Pinto, it was written "ex-army female". Not ex-famale. However, after some thought you may be right.
Name: Ill Ass
Email:
Date: 10/28/2009 3:55:42 PM
Message:
Somebody check Jack's facts - if that's true, that is [deleted] outrageous.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/28/2009 3:30:56 PM
Message:
Valerie Jarrett. For those of you who don't know her, "senior advisor and assistant to the President for Inter-government relations and Public Liaison in the Obama White House," -official title
The person who tried to push the NEA to support Obama's policies (illegal).
CEO of The Habitat Company, a real estate development firm that manages 20,000 residences around Chicago, that stood to make huge gains from the Olympics by converting her current slums into condos.
Watch what she says to CNN about Fox News, and if she thinks MSNBC is biased. Oops, Valerie. The constitution is showing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULYycgU8zY4
Name: Lucy
Email: longlegs.lucy@yahoo.com
Date: 10/28/2009 3:19:58 PM
Message:
"Just one year ago, would you have believed that an unelected government official, not even a Cabinet member confirmed by the Senate but simply one of the many "czars" appointed by the President, could arbitrarily cut the pay of executives in private businesses by 50 percent or 90 percent?
Did you think that another "czar" would be talking about restricting talk radio? That there would be plans afloat to subsidize newspapers-- that is, to create a situation where some newspapers' survival would depend on the government liking what they publish?
Did you imagine that anyone would even be talking about having a panel of so-called "experts" deciding who could and could not get life-saving medical treatments?
Scary as that is from a medical standpoint, it is also chilling from the standpoint of freedom. If you have a mother who needs a heart operation or a child with some dire medical condition, how free would you feel to speak out against an administration that has the power to make life and death decisions about your loved ones?
Does any of this sound like America?
How about a federal agency giving school children material to enlist them on the side of the president? Merely being assigned to sing his praises in class is apparently not enough.
How much of America would be left if the federal government continued on this path? President Obama has already floated the idea of a national police force, something we have done without for more than two centuries.
We already have local police forces all across the country and military forces for national defense, as well as the FBI for federal crimes and the National Guard for local emergencies. What would be the role of a national police force created by Barack Obama, with all its leaders appointed by him? It would seem more like the brown shirts of dictators than like anything American.
How far the President will go depends of course on how much resistance he meets. But the direction in which he is trying to go tells us more than all his rhetoric or media spin.
Barack Obama has not only said that he is out to "change the United States of America," the people he has been associated with for years have expressed in words and deeds their hostility to the values, the principles and the people of this country.
Jeremiah Wright said it with words: "God damn America!" Bill Ayers said it with bombs that he planted. Community activist goons have said it with their contempt for the rights of other people.
Among the people appointed as czars by President Obama have been people who have praised enemy dictators like Mao, who have seen the public schools as places to promote sexual practices contrary to the values of most Americans, to a captive audience of children.
Those who say that the Obama administration should have investigated those people more thoroughly before appointing them are missing the point completely. Why should we assume that Barack Obama didn't know what such people were like, when he has been associating with precisely these kinds of people for decades before he reached the White House?
Nothing is more consistent with his lifelong patterns than putting such people in government-- people who reject American values, resent Americans in general and successful Americans in particular, as well as resenting America's influence in the world.
Any miscalculation on his part would be in not thinking that others would discover what these stealth appointees were like. Had it not been for the Fox News Channel, these stealth appointees might have remained unexposed for what they are. Fox News is now high on the administration's enemies list.
Nothing so epitomizes President Obama's own contempt for American values and traditions like trying to ram two bills through Congress in his first year-- each bill more than a thousand pages long-- too fast for either of them to be read, much less discussed. That he succeeded only the first time says that some people are starting to wake up. Whether enough people will wake up in time to keep America from being dismantled, piece by piece, is another question-- and the biggest question for this generation". Dr. Tom Sowell
I thought that this might fit this message board quite well.
Lucy
Name: Jack
Email: jack@weaverville.com
Date: 10/28/2009 3:05:23 PM
Message:
Michele Obama's personal staff:
Written
by Dr. Paul L.Williams
"In my own life, in my own small way, I have tried togive back to this
country that has given me so much," she said. "See, that's why I left
a job at a big law firm for a career in public service, "...
Michelle Obama
No, Michele Obama does not get paid to serve as the First
Lady and she doesn't perform any official duties. But this hasn't
deterred her from hiring an unprecedented number of staffers to cater
to her every whim and to satisfy her every request in the midst of the Great Recession.
O Just think, Mary Lincoln was taken to task for purchasing china for
the White House during the Civil War. And Mamie Eisenhowe had to shell
out the salary for her personal secretary from her husband's salary.
Total
Personal Staff members for other first ladies paid by
taxpayers:
Mamie
Eisenhower : 1- paid for personally out of President's salary
Jackie Kennedy: 1
Roseline Carter: 1
Barbara Bush: 1
Hilary Clinton: 3
Laura Bush: 1
Michele Obama 22
How things have changed! If you're one of the tens of millions of Americans facing
certain destitution, earning less than subsistence wages
stocking the shelves at Wal-Mart or serving up McDonald cheeseburgers, prepare
to scream and then come to realize that the benefit package for these servants of
Ms Michelle are the same as members of the national security and defense departments
and the bill for these assorted lackeys is paid by YOU, John Q. Public:
Michele Obama's personal staff:
1. $172,200 - Sher, Susan ----(Chief Of Staff)
2. $140,000 - Frye, Jocelyn C. ---- (Deputy Assistant to the President
and Director of Policy And Projects For The First Lady)
3. $113,000 - Rogers, Desiree G. -----(Special Assistant to the President and
White House Social Secretary for Mrs. Obama)
4. $102,000 - Johnston, Camille Y. ----(Special Assistant to the President and
Director of Communications for the First Lady)
5. $100,000 - Winter, Melissa E.---- (Special Assistant to the President
and Deputy Chief Of Staff to the First Lady)
6. $90,000 - Medina , David S.---- (Deputy Chief Of Staff to the First Lady)
7. $84,000 - Lel yveld, Catherine M. ----(Director and Press Secretary to the First Lady)
8. $75,000 - Starkey, Frances M. ----(Director of Scheduling and Advance for the First Lady)
9. $70,000 - Sanders, Trooper ---- (Deputy Director of Policy and Projects for the First Lady)
10. $65,000 - Burnough, Erinn J.---- (Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)
11. $64,000 - Reinstein, Joseph B. ---- (Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)
12. $62,000 - Goodman, Jennifer R.---- (Deputy Director of Scheduling and Events Coordinator
For The First Lady)
13. $60,000 - Fitts, Alan O. ----(Deputy Director of Advance and Trip Director for the First Lady)
14. $57,500 - Lewis, Dana M. ----(Special Assistant and Personal Aide to the First Lady)
15. $52,500 - Mustaphi, Semonti M. ----(Associate Director and Deputy Press Secretary To The First Lady)
16. $50,000 - Jarvis, Kristen E. ---- (Special Assistant for Scheduling and Traveling
Aide To The First Lady)
17. $45,000 - Lechtenberg, Tyler A. ---- (Associate Director of Correspondence For The First Lady)
18. $43,000 - Tubman, Samanth---- (Deputy Associate Director, Social Office)
19. $40,000 - Boswell, Joseph J.---- (Executive Assistant to the Chief Of Staff to the First Lady)
20. $36,000 - Armbruster, Sally M.---- (Staff Assistant to the Social Secretary)
21. $35,000 - Bookey, Natalie---- (Staff Assistant)
22. $35,000 - Jackson, Deilia A. ----(Deputy Associate Director of Correspondence for the First Lady)
Total = $1,591,200 in annual salaries)
There has NEVER been anyone in the White House at any time who has
created such an army of staffers whose sole duties are the facilitation of the
First Lady's social life. One wonders why she needs so much help, at
taxpayer expense.
Note: This does not include makeup artist Ingrid Grimes-Miles, 49, and
"First Hairstylist" Johnny Wright, 31, both of whom traveled aboard
Air Force One to Europe .
Copyright 2009 Canada Free Press.Com
canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12652
Yes, I know, The Canadian Free Press had to publish this perhaps
because America no longer has a free press and the USA media is too
scared that they might be considered racist or suffer at the hands of
Obama.
Name: pinto colvig
Email: not@home
Date: 10/28/2009 3:01:13 PM
Message:
jerk the jack - you're right, we do need more czars in the white house. that list you posted is awful short compared to that of previous presidents who were much more competent at perpetrating socialism than the current one.
Robot - I finally agree with you about something: that ex-female you worked with getting a disability check for his/her own self-induced mental health issues. maybe if he/she hadn't insisted on getting the sex change surgery then he/she wouldn't be so messed up in the head now. glad to know that you only know one person in this whole country who appears to be dishonestly gaming the system for fractions of pennies. Now if you can gain the cojones to call out those who are gaming the system for TRILLIONS of dollars right in front of our faces...
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