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Name: NamVet
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Date: 9/21/2009 9:37:20 AM
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Bob, sounds like you got it right. I remember when Obama said the fight was in Afganistan and not Iraq. Now that he has the ball it looks like he's fixin to dribble all over himself. Going after the CIA is more important than going after the Taliban. He wants health care passed now even though it doesn't kick in until after the next term. Any ideas why the rush?
Name: BillyBob
Email: USA
Date: 9/21/2009 9:30:27 AM
Message:
Well, yet another bold pronouncement from cooch. Let's see if he keeps his word *this* time .... I wouldn't take that bet based on past history, but we'll see.
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 9/21/2009 9:17:07 AM
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Name:
Email:
Date: 9/18/2009 4:50:36 PM
Message:
Rob, remember your "liminal space is cathartic sublimation"..LOL It's also "generating normative communities"..How dare you?"
No, I'm afraid I don't know what you mean, Mr. no-name, but thanks for making such a vague point. We needed more of those here.
Name: Bob Hayles
Email: roberthayles@windstream.net
Date: 9/21/2009 8:25:01 AM
Message:
Sometimes I'm a bit slow, but let me see if I've got this right:
In Afganistan, where we have our sons and daughters in harm's way, where American troops are dying, where the commander on the ground, Gen. McKrystal, says we need more troops badly, Obama says he wants to wait 6 weeks to make a decision regarding those troops so he has time to study the situation, yet he wants congress to pass ObamaCare NOW.
Have I got that right?
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 9/20/2009 12:28:30 PM
Message:
It seems that I am not the only one who is astonished by all the charges of racism these days. Something I myself am being accused of. Liberals are all to quick to throw that word around as a smoke screen. A good many democrats are now performing damage control in the wake of all these recent charges of racism:
From the White House to Capitol Hill on Wednesday, Democrats raced to distance themselves from the former president’s claim that racism was behind Rep. Joe Wilson’s “You lie” outburst and other attacks on President Barack Obama.
“Listen, he’s the former president, and he’s entitled to his point of view,” said Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.). “I personally believe President Obama and his administration are focused on the issues, and I agree with that.”
“I don’t see this as a racial issue,” added Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.).
“I didn’t agree with it,” Sen. Kay Hagan (D-N.C.) said of Carter’s remarks.
Carter said Tuesday that there’s “an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president,” and that that feeling drives some of the anti-Obama dissent.
He isn’t the first to suggest that race is driving some of the anti-Obama animus. Reps. Lacy Clay (D-Mo.) and David Scott (D-Ga.), among others, have suggested that Wilson wouldn’t have interrupted a white president. And New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd wrote that “fair or not,” she heard “an unspoken word in the air: You lie, boy!”
In the hours before Tuesday’s vote, Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Ga.), a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, predicted that if Wilson’s outburst were allowed to go unpunished, “We will have people with white hoods running through the countryside again.”
Extreme liberals will say that we twist their words, are conducting smear campaigns, etc. These are direct quotes complete with the democrats' OWN REACTIONS to people in their own party.
My source is an extreme right wing rag whose purpose is to destroy the democratic party: Yahoo.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/27248
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 9/20/2009 11:16:58 AM
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Rant Casey: Huh? What the hell was that??
Name: Old Guard
Email:
Date: 9/19/2009 5:59:25 PM
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Rob,
No need to get upset... you do the same thing to others.
Name: Chooch
Email: Chooch@Choochplanet.com
Date: 9/19/2009 12:59:01 PM
Message:
Adios. It has been suggested to me from some of the political allies I associate with that I disengage myself from this venue and concentrate my efforts elsewhere in the support of Health Care Reform. It seems that they are concerned that my fighting fire with fire is not the way they wish to proceed and that it is wasted time and effort trying to provide factual information about this issue to people that do not want the truth nor will they accept it. After being presented with this perspective I could not agree more. It is a complete and total waste of time to try and reason with or present the truth to such an insignificant group of close minded people. My disengagement from this message board will please a number of people I am sure. Nobody else will refute the many lies, embellishments and distortations of facts that take place on this message board. That is rather obvious as nobody but myself has done so thus far.
Make no mistake about it. I am doing this because it is what is best for our cause according to my allies in these matters and my research capabilities and knowledge will be utilized to a greater extent by working closer with them instead of independantly as I have been doing.
Name: Chooch
Email: Chooch@Choochplanet.com
Date: 9/19/2009 10:02:30 AM
Message:
I suspect that what BillyBoy was attempting to insinuate is that Obama changed the system of missile defense to be utilized was to appease the Russians. What I have learned from studying the issue since the announcement of the change of the type of missile defense to be deployed is that the Poles and Czechs are not real happy. I further have learned that the reasoning behind changing the system to be deployed is based on several factors. Among those factors: The system to be deployed can in place quicker. Iran's short and medium range missiles pose the most current threat. Since the 1980s, the United States has spent over $150 billion on missile defense. Despite this, the program has not produced any workable weapon system capable of doing what it was intended for. Iran is not a threat to Poland and the Czech Republic. The system to be utilized is mobile and addresses the current capabilities of the Iranians weapons systems. Obama's decision was also based on information from his advisors, to include Sec of Defense Gates, the military and intelligence assessments of Iran's actual threat. Of course there is also the matter of the Russians not being happy about missile systems being deployed in Poland or Czechoslovakia. That most certainly played a role in this decision. The overiding reasoning is based on actual threat and capabilities, cost, and strategic capabilities. Obama did not come to this decision to appease the Russians or because he has an agenda for the U.S to become a socialist nation and is aligning himself with the Russians to do so. However that is already what is being insinuated by some. I am also certain that economics played a significant role in this decision although to my knowledge nobody has stated that. I mean really, $150 billion has been spent on missile defense systems being developed and we still don't have it. When do we say we have thrown enough money away. From the standpoint of strategy, economics, deployability, and the fact the system to be utilized already is for the most part available, makes a lot of sense. A lot more sense than the previous system.
Personnally, I would say to hell with all of them, let them protect themselves. That's what we as a nation do. To my knowledge nobody has put the U.S. in the position of being the guardian of the world except our own politicians. For all I care, let them wipe each other out, then we deal with whomever is left if need be. Someday, the U.S. will take care of its own people instead of worrying about the rest of the world. Obviously that will not happen in my lifetime however.
Name: Chooch
Email: Chooch@Choochplanet.com
Date: 9/19/2009 1:20:51 AM
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BillyBoy: Sorry that was uncalled for calling you a dimwit. I thought about it and came to the conclusion you probably got that information from a "conservative" source or website because it is exactly the opposite of the truth.
Name: Chooch
Email: Chooch@Choochplanet.com
Date: 9/19/2009 1:17:34 AM
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BillyBoy: What do I think about El Presidente scraping the missile defense system? It seems it upset the Russians. What I think is you need to recheck your facts. It is not the Russians that were upset. But what do I know, I'm not rational according to you. However, I am able to read and comprehend. If you work hard enough at getting an education someday you can be able to read and comprehend also. If you want to make statements that something is wrong with me, you better no what the hell your making posts about you dimwit. You want to insult me and don't think I will fire back your even dumber than I thought was possible for anyone.
Name: ofendi
Email: ofendi@yahoo.com
Date: 9/18/2009 8:59:19 PM
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Chooch, do you pray to Obama every night before you go to sleep, or just worship him on Sundays? Is he answering your prayers?
What liberal propaganda machine gave you your "facts" about George Bush? Did you cut and paste that stuff or just make it up?
Name: Jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 9/18/2009 7:12:38 PM
Message:
Michelle Obama sympathized with the "less-wealthy" women's plights on healthcare. Is "less-wealthy" the new politically correct term for the poor?
Name: Jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 9/18/2009 7:05:10 PM
Message:
Rant...Finally find something to use your new vocabulary words on?
Name: Chooch
Email: Chooch@Choochplanet.com
Date: 9/18/2009 6:59:55 PM
Message:
ROB: Not in this lifetime. I will slam you everytime you make a false statement, lie, or mislead people. Same as the other knucklehead NamVet. You think you can say and write anything you want and nobody will call you on your crap.. Guess what.... I will. What are you going to do? Break my keyboard. Stop embellishing, stop posting false accusations and things will be fine but as long as you post crap I know is just that crap, look for a response to come back at you. I don't give a shit if you like it or not. I'm tired of the lies and your twisting of the facts and I'm not sitting back and playing nice anymore.
NamVet: You still do not know the difference betweeen phrases like "racism is an issue" and "overwhelming portion" and Robs statement "Now even Jimmy Carter is playing the race card! Disagreeing with the president is ALL about the fact that Obama is black, according to our ex-president-in-residence. Are you really that stupid that you don't know what the word all means? When someone makes a written statement..."according to" that is the same as qouting. Carter never said all the things being thrown in Obama direction were becasue he was an Afro-American... Rob said that. Do you get it now.. Who is playing with words? Get real.
You still have not proven that Carter said all.. Reason why... BECAUSE HE NEVER SAID IT as Rob accused him of doing.. You need help with reading comprehension and word usage as well as definition, not me.
Name: Chooch
Email: Chooch@Choochplanet.com
Date: 9/18/2009 6:58:11 PM
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Right BillyBoy.. someone that can refute the outrageous lies, embellishments, twisting of facts, and misquotes of a conservative based group of people with short memories (must have short memories if they can't remember all the "czars" appointed by former GOP Presidents... because I do remember them)(either that or they are hypocrits) is unbalanced.. LMAO.. sure thing. Some people just do not want to face the facts that the same bull shit they are spouting off about in reference to Obama and appointments of Czars... (which many have repeatedly stated is unconstitutional) has happened in the past by every president since Nixon and they never said a word. That makes me unbalanced? Sure...lol. I'll add your "unbalanced" to the many other slurs thrown my way for speaking up for the truth.
I'm not the person living in fantasy land but there are several posting on this board that must be because most of what they post is pure fantasy and slanted.
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 9/18/2009 6:23:59 PM
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This Bush resume is very poorly written. It is too wordy, has run-on sentences, appears to be full of boasts, is full of inaccurate claims and in general too long.
Try using bullets and limit yourself to important facts that the employer might be interested in. This resume would be thrown out as it is hard on the eyes as well. Try not to copy other peoples work but come up with your own, this helps the reader believe your claims. Limit your claims to about 10 at most, you can talk about the others in your interview.
This resume would strike me has having been done by someone that has beer cans in their head...or is incoherent. Just a few tips, hope this helps and happy job hunting.
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 9/18/2009 5:08:36 PM
Message:
The first White House issues czar was President Franklin Roosevelt’s “war production czar” Donald Nelson, who was joined by an economic czar, a manpower czar, a food czar and even a rubber czar.
Czars are unconstitutional. All of them. Regardless of who, or what administration, of whatever party affiliation appointed them.
Name:
Email:
Date: 9/18/2009 4:50:36 PM
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Rob, remember your "liminal space is cathartic sublimation"..LOL It's also "generating normative communities"..How dare you?
Name: Marine
Email: marine1
Date: 9/18/2009 4:46:59 PM
Message:
Rob...to get anyone to write that much fire, you must really be getting to him. Unfreakinbelievable! Why even bother? There's not one thing he would, or COULD ever agree with you on. Just think of some of the logic you've just read...Bush's deficit spending* Being a criminal president, etc.,etc..How can you rationalize that? The very fact that ANYONE would get that rialed up over politics is ludicrous.
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 9/18/2009 4:43:15 PM
Message:
Now that I am sorta done laughing....why not:
Jimmy Carters resume:
Grew Peanuts
Any questions?
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 9/18/2009 4:31:32 PM
Message:
Hey Chooch is now answering his own questions! No reason to debate him anymore he can debate with himself!
Anyone else confused by Chooch's statement that Obama is trying to make this country what it once was. Did we used to be a socialist country?
Name: Rant Casey
Email: chuck@Palahniuk.com
Date: 9/18/2009 3:59:11 PM
Message:
Look all this pent up conservative political anger, marches on Washington or yelling at the president is simply the latest manifestation of a liminal space which provides a cathartic sublimation, generating a normative communitas, thereby deflecting any pent-up hostility towards the status quo and preserving the existent social structure. The purpose is not to affect a significant change but to offer an opportunity for many people to have the sensation of affecting a change. And the more horrific those that are subject to change are portrayed the more release is found in being a change agent.
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 9/18/2009 3:33:54 PM
Message:
Chooch, back the hell off of me.
Name: Chooch
Email: Chooch@Choochplanet.com
Date: 9/18/2009 3:26:47 PM
Message:
By the way, the first “czar” was brought into our government by GOP president Richard Nixon, who created the first “drug czar” and also had an “energy czar”. Almost forgot that.. I ask again, how many of you people now raising hell about the appointment of Czars by Obama had even a word to say about these appointments? You folks remember Nixon? Mr. Honesty.
ANSWER: Not a one of you had a thing to say. I'd bet my life on it. And people say I am a radical, a liberal, a wannabe socialist, a nut case, and many other names because I support a President that is TRYING to make this country what it was and is employing the exact same appointment process as former GOP presidents.. yea right. Bunch of hypocrits or you people have no memory of past appointments by former presidents. Unconstitutional my butt. It must only be unconstitutional today but not in the past when appointments were made by republican presidents. Damn if the truth doesn't just suck when someone shoves it right back down your throat.
Name: pinto colvig
Email: not@home
Date: 9/18/2009 3:16:57 PM
Message:
Oh and Robot - how do I know you have used welfare before? because you say you haven't, and your "facts" are always wrong...
Name: Chooch
Email: Chooch@Choochplanet.com
Date: 9/18/2009 3:05:45 PM
Message:
I prepared a resume for George Bush
GEORGE BUSH’S RESUME
* Attacked two countries. * Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury. * Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history. * Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. * Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market. * First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record. * First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history. * After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history. * Set the record for most campaign fundraising trips than any other president in U.S. history. * In first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job. * Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in U.S. history. * Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period. * Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in U.S. history. * Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television. * Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history. * Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed. * Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have. * Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest him (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. * Dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history. * His presidency is the most secretive and unaccountable of any in U.S. history. * Members of his cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history (the 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleezza Rice, has an Exxon oil tanker named after her). * First president in U.S. history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt. * Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world. * First president in U.S. history to order a U.S. attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation. * Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States. * Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in U.S. history. * First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission. * First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the elections monitoring board. * Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history. * Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. * Withdrew from the World Court of Law. * Refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions. * First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections). * All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations. * His biggest lifetime campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation). * Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history. * First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community. * First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1) * First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government. * Took the biggest world sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year made the U.S. the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in U.S. and world history). * With a policy of 'disengagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years. * Fist U.S. president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view his presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability. * First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea. * Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. * Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts. * Failed to fulfill his pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive.' * Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. * In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks he successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States. * Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in U.S. history. * In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the Civil War. * Entered office with the strongest economy in U.S. history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
What a great president he was.. One thing is for sure, Obama could not do a worse job of leading this country than Bush did. (Czar's or otherwise).
Name: Chooch
Email: Chooch@Choochplanet.com
Date: 9/18/2009 2:45:07 PM
Message:
By the way,, during Bush's 8 years of dismantling this country, he appointed 47 Czars, not 32.
Name: Chooch
Email: Chooch@Choochplanet.com
Date: 9/18/2009 2:43:19 PM
Message:
Rob: Of course you could care less about how much money a "conservative" group (Conservatives for Patients' Rights) uses for spreading lies and misinformation. It appears you got lessons from them.
Name: BillyBob
Email: USA
Date: 9/18/2009 2:38:08 PM
Message:
Guys,if you engage him, you're feeding the machine - let it go. He's not rational.
What are your thoughts on El Presidente scrapping the missile defense system? Seems it upset the Russians ...
Name: Chooch
Email: Chooch@Choochplanet.com
Date: 9/18/2009 2:33:00 PM
Message:
ROB: You want a list of Czar's Bush appointed here, for your reference, are the some of the czars during the Bush Administration:
Bush Appointed “AIDS Czar” Randall Tobias In 2003. (President Bush tapped a former pharmaceutical executive to coordinate his administration's $15 billion program to combat AIDS in Africa and the Caribbean. (Randall Tobias -- the former chairman and chief executive officer of Eli Lilly and Co. -- would head up the administration's efforts to bring more medical workers, medicine and training to those countries hit hard by the virus.) A pharmaceutical executive for Aids Czar? Medicine for Aids.. pretty interesting connection there.) Randall Tobias Stepped Down After He Appeared on D.C. Madam’s Client List.
Bush’s First “AIDS Czar” Was Scott Evertz.
Carol Thompson Was Bush Administration’s “AIDS Czar” In 2006.
John DiIulio Was Bush’s Administration’s First “Faith Czar.
Jim Towey Replaced DiIulio as “Faith Czar.”
Jay Hein Became “Faith Czar” In 2006.
Mitch Daniels Was Bush’s “Budget Czar” In 2004.
Joshua Bolten Was White House “Budget Czar” In 2005.
Rob Portman And Jim Nussle Were White House “Budget Czars” In 2007.
Richard Clark Was “Cybersecurity Czar” In 2003.
John Negroponte Was Bush’s “Intelligence Czar.
Mike McConnell Took Over As Intelligence Czar.
Karen Hughes Was Bush’s “Public Diplomacy Czar.
John Graham Was Bush’s Regulatory Czar. The curious case of John Graham, the ‘regulatory czar,’ who can block any new regulation from his position inside the Office of Management and Budget, had attracted some attention because of Graham's unusual public record.
Susan Dudley Was Bush’s Regulatory Czar in 2007.
Neel Kashkari Was Bush’s “Bailout Czar.
Leon Kass Was Reported As Bush’s “Bioethics Czar” In 2003.
Eric Keroack Was Bush’s “Birth Control Czar” In 2007.(Eric J. Keroack resigned amid allegations of Medicaid fraud.) He may have gotten his federal job based on fraudulent qualifications as well. He claimed to have been in private practice for 20 years, but other documents suggest it was closer to five years; his much-touted experience as ‘medical director’ for nonprofit group A Woman's Concern looks as if it may have been a part-time volunteer position.)”
Ed Gillespie And Dan Bartlett Were “Communications Czars.
Richard Clark Was “Cybersecurity Czar” In 2003.
Rod Beckstrom Was Cybersecurity Czar In 2008-09.
Tom Ridge was Bush’s “Homeland Security Czar".
Michael Chertoff became Bush’s “Homeland Security Czar” after Ridge resigned due to his totally ineffective handling of the Katrini hurricane disaster.
Stewart Simonson Was Bush’s “Bird Flu Czar” In 2004. Remember the bird flu czar?
Karl Rove Was Bush’s “Domestic Policy Czar” In 2004. Everyone remembers Rove. Rove's name has come up in a number of political scandals. These include the Valerie Plame affair, the Bush White House e-mail controversy and the related dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy, among others.
John P. Walters Was Bush’s Drug Czar in 2001.
David Atchison Was Bush’s “Food Safety Czar” In 2007.
John Howard Was Bush’s World Trade Center Health Czar in 2006.
David J. Brailer Was Bush’s “Health IT Czar".
Philip Mangano Was Bush’s “Homelessness Czar". With a freak-show economy in which unemployment had reached 6%--a 50% increase since November 2000--but housing prices have stayed at or near historic highs, the number of homeless appeared to be at its highest in at least a decade in a wide range of places across the U.S. (There's a little something for you folks to smoke on, unemployment started to become a major issue in November 2000, you know while the Bush was burning?)
Donald E. Powell Was Bush’s “Gulf Coast Reconstruction Czar".
Michael Gerson Was Bush’s “Policy Czar.”
G. Reid Lyon Was Bush’s "Reading Czar."
John Marburger Was Bush’s “Science Czar."
Richard Clarke Was Bush’s “Terrorism Czar.”
Gen. Wayne Downing Was Bush’s “Counterterrorism Czar.” Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute was Bush's "War Czar."
Now you "conservatives" must remember some of these people.......and appoinments, but I bet there was not a single one of you people that talk out of both sides of your faces ever said a damn thing about "big government" or appointments not being "constitutional".. I repeat.... not one damn word from anyone of you.. Why? Because it was a friggin mentally challenged moron (Bush) Republican doing the appointments?
The truth hurts when it is turned right back around on you. I'm quite certain a number of people will refute these appointments by Bush. Maybe some of them are false.. Guess you all should check my facts. Keep you busy for a day or two.
Name: Jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 9/18/2009 2:01:59 PM
Message:
I just stepped outside and saw the sun. I think it is daytime...oh wait it IS daytime. At least Chooch admits what he "thinks" isn't always "fact".
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 9/18/2009 1:49:42 PM
Message:
I stand by my answer chooch. I cut your question and pasted it and I cut what Carter said and pasted it. It is you doing the play on words just like Clinton did when he said "it depends on what the meaning of the word is is."
If you wanted people to take you serious, you'd stop your childish nonsense unless you are incapable. You know damn well what is met by referring to ACORN in these posts. Making it out like there are many ACORNS and we need to be more specific is nonsense. Your simply being argumentative and controversial. Exactly why you are called chooch. "Chooch" = "italian slang for hardhead,, blockhead,, any of a number similar insults pertaining to one's stubborness or limited use of common sense." It's the common sense part that is your biggest handicap.
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 9/18/2009 1:49:11 PM
Message:
Pinto, is that really what you wanted to say? "No I'm not, you are"!???
I remember hearing that on the playground in first grade. Is that what you really intended to be your retort?
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 9/18/2009 1:41:58 PM
Message:
I had to look this up, since in 2004/2005 I didn't watch TV much- I was supervising a new ride project for Universal. The swift boat scandal, with John Kerry was started by a group of vets, many of whom served in Kerry's unit, to discredit some of his medals he was awarded. He chose to run a big part of his campaign on his military service, people have a right to question. It was determined that write-ups were properly filed for the awards. President Bush called for an end to the argument:
msnbc.com staff and news service reports
updated 8:03 p.m. ET, Mon., Aug 23, 2004
CRAWFORD, Texas - President Bush on Monday criticized a commercial that accused John Kerry of inflating his own Vietnam War record, more than a week after the ad stopped running, and said broadcast attacks by outside groups have no place in the race for the White House.
I'm not making this stuff up! service folks will always question why someone gets awards. That's been going on for centuries.
Name: Marine
Email: marine1
Date: 9/18/2009 1:25:40 PM
Message:
Amen Chooch ??? LOL
Name: Chooch
Email: Chooch@Choochplanet.com
Date: 9/18/2009 1:10:25 PM
Message:
Rob: Like I told you in my email, I am not the one that needs counseling. I am not the compulsive liar. I am not the person that embellishes and twists items. I am not the person that continuously misquote what others have said. I bet you know someone that fits that bill though.
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 9/18/2009 12:52:39 PM
Message:
NamVet, liberals (Alinskyans) would say that these fine individuals lacked access to the middle class because of their race and the fact that rich white men have been poisoning their community for 50 years. We simply waited too long to reach out to them. They could have worked for Acorn.
No, my friend. If it is discovered that these 4 misunderstood people are democrats, then they cannot, by popular definition, be racists. Furthermore, this gruesome torture/rape/murder cannot be classified as a hate crime under current law. We'll just have to settle for good old fashioned murder charges.
Hate crimes, according to Old Gerd only apply to someone making sarcastic comments about someone's sexual preference ona discussion board.
Liberalism is extremely complicated at first, but after reading a few books you start to understand where they get their ridiculous ways.
Name: Chooch
Email: Chooch@Choochplanet.com
Date: 9/18/2009 12:49:39 PM
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To the illiterate that can not comprehend what is written. I did not call Rob a racist. I said I THINK he is a racist. Sort of like when I step outside and see the sun, I THINK it is daytime. You so called conservatives have proven time and time again that you will twist, misquote and embellish on anything ANYONE else posts that disagrees with your philosphy.
NamVet. I still defy you to show any proof, any proof what-so-ever that Carter said ALL, (you do know what the word all means I hope) Robs posting: Now even Jimmy Carter is playing the race card! Disagreeing with the president is all about the fact that Obama is black, according to our ex-president-in-residence. Whatever liberals can do to keep the focus OFF the facts of the issues... There is a vast difference between ALL and what former president Carter stated. Learn how to read.
You can't twist my words around into something I did not write or say because I will show you where you are full of crap. Same with the "calling someone racist". Read what I posted again Grasshopper. If you read my postings enough times, maybe you will be able to comprhend, I doubt it however.
Name: pinto colvig
Email: not@home
Date: 9/18/2009 12:48:58 PM
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might I remind people that its the conservatives who are mostly playing the race card. GOP hero Rush Limbaugh said Obama, a half-black man, is inspiring black kids to beat up white kids. Right wing loon Glenn Beck called Obama a racist for no logical reason. Republican Idiot Lou Dobbs said Obama is "undocumented." 18 percent of New Jersey conservatives think Obama is the Anti-christ (if that were so, I would have voted for the man). there are U.S. servicemen who I have no use for who continue to sue the president and refuse to go overseas because they think he was born in Kenya. How are any of those statements any better than what Carter said? How do they not validate what CArter said?
And Saul Alinsky may have written those rules for left wing activists, but conservatives recognizing how effective his dictums are, hijacked these rules about the time of Reagan and continue to use them to convince people to join their side. even though its failing as more and more poeple flee the conservative side every day. just look at every post published on here by Robot, he employes these rules to a tee...
It was funny when someone on this board posted this comment the other day: the acorn workers "weren't acting like republicans. they were breaking the law." LOL!!! that was said by the ultimate "parrot" but I own't name names because this person probably hasn't changed out his tampon today...
Name: Chooch
Email: Chooch@Choochplanet.com
Date: 9/18/2009 12:37:03 PM
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Simply put ACORN Housing Corporation and ACORN are two different entities. They are not the same organization. They are distinct and separate and fall under different rules of law in taxation and operation. I would think that since so many people keep referring Acorn did this and Acorn did that, you would at least check and see which ACORN you are talking about.. Although ACORN Housing Corporation was born thru the organization ACORN, they are NOT the same organization. Sort of like Acme Boxes would be a different organization than Acme Caskets. You people are a bunch of loons. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh................
Name: NamVet
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Date: 9/18/2009 11:41:33 AM
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If you want to refer to someone as a “Racist” then why not start here. Read this article about 2 people in Knoxville, Tn that were murdered. By the way, the female was found in five separate trash bags. Of course they were white so maybe they don’t count.
http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?s=6023706
Maybe Jimmy Carter can make some sense out of this for us? This is a good example why people are mad. We are tired of the name calling and the games.
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 9/18/2009 11:35:32 AM
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Regarding Saul Alinsky and his rules for radicals which are so aptly demonstrated my liberals among us, closely among us, I thought it appropriate to post some further interesting points on modern liberalism and how it has taken over the democratic party. Remember Palosi's remarks yesterday comparing conservative dissent to the Harvey Milk murder... the modern movement began there in the 60's and 70's.
Alinsky wrote the rule book for '60s radicals like Bill and Hillary Clinton, George Miller and Nancy Pelosi. He considered Hillary Rodham to be one of his better students and asked her to join him in his efforts as an organizer of radical leftist causes.
"Rules for Radicals" begins with an unusual tribute: "From all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins – or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom – Lucifer."
Alinsky advises his followers that the poor have no power and that the real target is the middle class: "Organization for action will now and in the decade ahead center upon America's white middle class. That is where the power is. ... Our rebels have contemptuously rejected the values and the way of life of the middle class. They have stigmatized it as materialistic, decadent, bourgeois, degenerate, imperialistic, war-mongering, brutalized and corrupt. They are right; but we must begin from where we are if we are to build power for change, and the power and the people are in the middle class majority."
But that didn't stop Alinsky and his followers from using the middle class for their own purposes. They counted on the guilt and shame of the white middle class to get what they wanted. In order to take over institutions and get power, the middle class had to be convinced that they were somehow lucky winners in "life's lottery." -Diane Alden 2003.
This book was published in 1971. The people he targetted with his writings are now in power in Washington.
How is Obama connected with this radical ideology?
After college Obama moved to Chicago to be part of the Jerry Kellman organization as a community organizer. [Kellman was a Saul Alinsky protege.] Among the primary goals of Alinsky was radical socialism and redistribution of wealth. Alinsky taught his proteges to "HIDE" their true goals by any means necessary. Lying was fine. The objective of Alinsky and Kellman was to turn people against the white establishment.
Is it any wonder Obama refused to comment on his ties to Rev. Wright, Tony Resco, Bernadine Dohrn, Wm Ayers, Saul Alinsky. These were all radical left revolutionaries who believed in the downfall of the capitalistic system of government.
Name: BillyBob
Email: USA
Date: 9/18/2009 11:16:32 AM
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Well, Marine - scroll back several posts and you'll see where cooch said he wasn't going to engage in that sort of thing anymore .... took one post from me for him to abandon that pledge.
He could very well be psychotic.
I told you guys before - ignore his tirades.
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 9/18/2009 10:12:21 AM
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I encourage conservatives who haven't already, to become familiar with Saul Alinsky who wrote the liberal activist bible Rules for Radicals. His strategies for organizing are being followed WORD FOR WORD by progressive liberal radicals like some we have met right here on this site:
"There's another reason for working inside the system. Dostoevski said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution. To bring on this reformation requires that the organizer work inside the system, among not only the middle class but the 40 per cent of American families – more than seventy million people – whose income range from $5,000 to $10,000 a year [in 1971]. They cannot be dismissed by labeling them blue collar or hard hat. They will not continue to be relatively passive and slightly challenging. If we fail to communicate with them, if we don't encourage them to form alliances with us, they will move to the right. Maybe they will anyway, but let's not let it happen by default."
"The morality of a means depends upon whether the means is being employed at a time of imminent defeat or imminent victory"
"Goals must be phrased in general terms like "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," "Of the Common Welfare," "Pursuit of Happiness," or "Bread and Peace."
"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also, it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage."
"Make the enemy live up to his/her own book of rules. You can kill them with this. They can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."
These points, in fact direct quotes from the author, are intended to teach radical left revolutionaries how to affect sweeping system-changing takeover by any means necessary. The modern tactic of calling people rasists is taken directly from Alinsky's book. These attacks are meant to drive us off course while "hope and change" occurs under our noses. We all have to stand up and reject this attack on our freedom from government and the prospect of tryanny.
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 9/18/2009 9:50:53 AM
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Chooch, I could care less how much money anyone spends on advertising as long as it isn't a government grant being used to advertise illegal activities. Don't think for a moment that private donations being used to advertise a moral or political belief is some sort of breach of trust: it isn't.
You know, I once found it interesting to back and forth with you on issues. You crossed the line with your race comments, but just damaged your own reputation in the process by proving everyone else is dead on accurate about the double standard that liberals use openly as the basis of their belief syatem. You represent the problem in this country. You are killing your own cause: polls show that the proliferation of the "racist" word has diminished the impact of it. You are so quick to accuse people of racism that the intended effect is lost and is meaningless anymore. Man, even the president does not consider the nationwide debate to be rooted in racism!
Please consider the discussion between us over. You have shown your true colors to everyone who can access this board. Once I respected you, though I disagree with your politics. I now see that you are a lost, angry soul clinging to some socialistic dream principal while trying to discredit and annhiliate those who oppose your welfare state views. It's been fun. Please seek counseling.
Name: Marine
Email: marine1
Date: 9/18/2009 9:35:09 AM
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What the hell is with all the anger??? It is meaningless what anyone's opinion is. It is what it is. Everyone has to push everyone's buttons just to voice 'opinions'. Name calling, personal insults, digging to the bottom of the insult barrel to just make a point?? You need to voice your bitter anger to your congressmen and that probably won't help. Man!
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 9/18/2009 9:18:38 AM
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Chooch...Rob did say he agreed with Obama. He agreed Kanye West was a Jacka$$. I think everyone on here agrees we need change and even healthcare reform. What many of us don't agree with is how Obama wants to go about it. Does that make us all morans? There is also a lot of valid reasons to question Acorn. Did you know it's actually our "constitutional right" to be a rascist. I really don't get the impression those posting on this board are disagreeing with Obama because of his race or are rascist. You are starting to sound like all the other left winged extremists. When you can't convince us to see your side you assume it must be rascism.
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 9/18/2009 8:24:23 AM
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Add to the list of democrats who are attempting to demonize public dissent over Obama's policies, Nancy Pelosi. She likened the public displays at town hall meetings to the voilent demonstrations surrounding the murder of Harvey Milk in San Francisco in the 70's, when Pelosi was a "democratic activist".
Is there anything that fed-up Americans vocalising their God given rights will NOT be compared to? We already have Nazis, racists, what's next? Satan himself? How low can this go on behalf of the liberals? How long does this libelous behaviour have to continue before we can, as higher primates get back to the real discussion on the direction of this country and a return to our founding constitutional values?
Name: Old Guard
Email:
Date: 9/17/2009 5:09:36 PM
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Amen Chooch!!
Rob is great at stating half truth and slandering those with real facts.
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