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Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/5/2009 11:51:01 AM
Message:
Dakota...Thank you for your service to this country. You and other servicemen are the real heroes of our country.
Name: pinto colvig
Email: not@home
Date: 10/5/2009 11:49:56 AM
Message:
social security might go bankrupt in a few years, but the companies the republicans wanted us to invest our private accounts in are bankrupt now!!! LOL!!! this message brought to you by Self-Loathing Republicans for more Incompetence, vote Deal 2010
Name: Rant Casey
Email: chuck@Palahniuk.com
Date: 10/5/2009 11:34:23 AM
Message:
I am curious as to how our town fair fared this year? I myself couldn't go because I can't stand crowds. I dread crowds -- crowds aren't people. I went once to a high school football game when I was eleven or twelve, and it was my first and last time in a stadium. I was so frightened, so terrorized by the howling crowds, that I ran out and I never went back. So no way for me to see parade.
All this aside I adore the play/movie State Fair and imagine the Marble Festival must be similar.
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 10/5/2009 10:03:45 AM
Message:
Thank you Mtngirl.
Name: taxpayer
Email: taxpayer
Date: 10/5/2009 9:58:51 AM
Message:
Not to change the subject....but does anyone know why our local board of education keeps a full time phycologist on payroll at the cost of $84,022 yet contracts a phycologist out of Tennessee to come observe and evaluate students several times a year. Is this not the "school" phycologist's job? And why someone from Tennessee? Is this how we really want our tax money spent?
Name: Al
Email: arothejr@etcmail.com
Date: 10/5/2009 9:41:05 AM
Message:
Dakota, I and my family pray for a successfull and safe deployment to Afghanistan. You join millions of us who have worn the uniform of our country in times of war and times of peace. Some fought some did not, but we all had a mission to perform. We understand your pride and we understand the lump that comes to your throat when you salute the flag of of this country while in uniform. Back here I pledge to do all that I can to see to it that the people of this country, whether they support this war or not, respect and honor your service. You are a member of the strongest and best military force on the plantet and you will pervail. Keep your head down and God be with you and your buddies while you wage this battle! Let us hear from you when you return.
Name: Ed Jones Jr.
Email: sargon1@windstream.net
Date: 10/5/2009 9:15:04 AM
Message:
TO: Miss-know-it-all.....Strange that you post on the Progress blog but don't read the Pickens Progress or avail yourself of the online addition of the newspaper's front page . If you did , you would see a frontpage article on the animal control facility which will hold appx. 30 dogs and 15 to 25 cats IF the animal has a collar , otherwise it will be sent to Gordon county . Now , you may not-know-it-all but you know-a-little-bit-more !
Name: John Doe
Email: johndoe.com
Date: 10/4/2009 10:49:19 PM
Message:
Deployment
Afghanistan Deployment 10-6-2009
Body: Tuesday October the 6-2009 Dakota will be shipped to Afghanistan for the service of the United States to fight for us. Along with all troops that are being Deployed & Troops that are their serving. OUR Prayers are with them all.Dakota is dating our Daughter & she is very upset but she knows what he is doing for the U.S.A. God Bless them all.
Please leave a comment so he knows we all care for them all.
Im posting his Email address wright89phs@yahoo.com so he knows & passes every ones prayers to them all.
Thanks
Name: pinto colvig
Email: not@home
Date: 10/4/2009 8:58:54 PM
Message:
scuse me, I allowed myself to fall down into the hole that Robot is in for a minute. I just assumed, like Robot and Al normally does, that anything said by ACORN must be false. now Robot says acorn is right about something. I can't get an accurate read on these folks like Robot and Al (ie conservatives) they are all over the map on their research and reasoning methods. just proves they believe people when what they say supports their religion, but disagree when anyone reports a fact that shoots down their shaky beliefs. anyway, about the whole SS distraction: no one ever thought the bennett bill would solve the SS problem, it was just an effort to force hard working americans to put all their money into the hands of the sh1theads who paid for the republican and democrat parties, the sh1theads who are now going bankrupt and are living on bailout money and their stock prices are a fraction of what they were back in 2005. good thing we didn't fall for it. the cbo said this bill would make the ss problem worse, so it must be true because the cbo also said obama's healthcare plan will increase costs. or, Robot, was the CBO wrong then but right now? of course they were in your diminished mind.
also in 2005, the republicans, the private account promoters, were in a solid majority in congress. so their failure to pass a bill still shows a failure of leadership, an intellect within the populace that was higher than the president anticipated, and the general strategy the gop has always followed to try to hoodwink people into accepting "solutions" that only benefit the douches in power. long live the dictator!
Name: miss-know-it-all
Email: Doesn't know it all
Date: 10/4/2009 7:14:06 PM
Message:
Does anyone know when Pickens is going to build the animal shelter? When it will be completed and how many animals it will hold? Or a link where I can find the information about building plans?
Thanks!
Name: john doe
Email: johndoe.com
Date: 10/3/2009 11:58:35 PM
Message:
Hoe can i find the Arrest Warrents in Pickens county ?
Name: Ed Jones Jr.
Email: sargon1@windstream.net
Date: 10/3/2009 11:26:46 PM
Message:
TO: Truth....You seemed to justify cheating because " everyone else does it " and suggest that everyone " just get over it " . That type of attitude is just one of the reasons our country is slowely going down the toilet . Some people , it seems , can justify anything , even our eroding morals . Shame on all who think like that !
Name: dazed and confused
Email: on social security BS/Olympics
Date: 10/3/2009 9:24:27 PM
Message:
Well, i am not into bill reading or who signed what, but I am into the idea that what I and everyone else Pays into Fica,medicare, SS, SSI , BS, BSSS is some more Crap.
Here I am a generation that Can look forward to Social security Bankruptcy and will not be able to receive any of my 'benefits' that the goverment took from me as a form of payment throughout my lifetime and still have to work hard to provide for myself at the ripe old age of 65 or have they moved it up to 75 now?? hell i don't know!
the social security act in itself is as old as 1933 or whatever year, and is about at stupid as the 255 bucks you get from the good old goverment when you take a dirt nap!
I say do away with it completely, reimburse all the money that everyone has been forced to pay into it , ( that would be a hefty sum) and let people fend for themselves.
It peeves me off to no end that all 'qualified' individuals are required by LAW to pay into the system, but not get anything out of it.
And can go to jail/prison if we obide the law, but can't press criminal charges on the goverment for not holding up their end of the dang bargain.
Thats laymans terms to say the least, and excuse me if I offend the living S*** out of anyone on here. To say taxation without representation is a misnomer in the least???? Why not ride the dang mayflower back to england?
And as far as the olympic joy ride that flopped, IT reminds me of this d*** economy/ wait excuse me, the d*** country at this point. I feel as a society (most of us) can be lead around by the nose , like sheep to the slaughter and bahh all the way there!!!!
Veterans on here I appreciate your commitment to our country, and it makes me sick that our country is going down the toilet , for what You all have sacrficed and believed in for so long, that includes us non military that actually give a S***.
Name: dazed and confused
Email: billybob
Date: 10/3/2009 9:05:10 PM
Message:
hit enter by accident, just being a smarta** i was. thank you very much towards the likes of chooch. i guess it was taken the wrong way.
Name: Dazed and Confusseedd
Email: billybob
Date: 10/3/2009 9:00:08 PM
Message:
No ur wayyy off base. and no thank you, i don't associate with those like that, from my post on here, i would think you would know that. ( for ur expose'- i have no idea what ur talking about with the HIV/Aids thing?
Name: Firestorms
Email: MOTHS!@MOTHS!.MOTHS!
Date: 10/3/2009 8:45:40 AM
Message:
Apparantly my habit of using Richard Nixon's Social Security Number whenever mine was asked for means that when I get old I won't have access to all the booty stolen from the wages of children that I may or may not have.
Bummer.
Name: Mtngirl
Email: joaninjasper@hotmail.com
Date: 10/2/2009 8:00:17 PM
Message:
Great post Nam Vet! My thanks to you for serving our country in such an unpopular war. It's thanks to people like you, Navy1 and Marine that we have the freedom to talk and post freely. We have the right not to agree or to not like the way our country is going. My hope is that we will still be able to do this in 2, 5 or even 10 years from now and beyond.
Name: TRUTH
Email: TRUTH82
Date: 10/2/2009 4:05:29 PM
Message:
ITSABOUTTIME!!Deal with it ,that kinda stuff goes on all the time....I bet your co-workers do it, your friends, family, Hell people in your church. That's apart of life ..people cheat.
Name: Marine
Email: marine1
Date: 10/2/2009 3:36:02 PM
Message:
Mtngrl..Thanks for the Semper & don't be a stranger. This board needs some different topics.
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 10/2/2009 2:32:08 PM
Message:
Dear President Obama,
Can you please stay home now and use the travel money you save to fix social security because I wanna retire soon. Take care of Iran next week and end that nonsense for good, just threaten them. Ditch the global warming nonsense, it's getting colder. Make health care more competitive so it don't cost so much. Also, think about tort reform so the Dr's don't have to pay so much for insurance. Oh yes, be sure to call your General in Afghanistan and let him know you care. While your at it, maybe get some people drilling for oil so my truck will run when I retire plus, it's gonna be colder, not warmer and we need the heating oil. When your not busy and need something else to do, read the bills before you sign them. I read a couple and my god the stuff that's in them. Consider making the tax burden fair so we can all share rather than just 51% of us paying taxes. I bet you would be able to reduce taxes if we all paid a fair share. Just things for you to consider....
Name: Old Guard
Email:
Date: 10/2/2009 2:09:45 PM
Message:
Rob,
Pres. Obama can not do that due to the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution. You know that document that used to be posted in every courthouse next to the 10 Commandments.
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Name: BillyBob
Email: USA
Date: 10/2/2009 1:47:48 PM
Message:
D&C - I *think* I understand what you are saying, though I would ask you to elaborate just a bit so that I can be sure.
Also, if I'm following your train of thought (God help me) , I have to ask: did the CIA oversee the development and "release" of AIDS to try and decimate the population of those peoples who are / were not of Caucasion decendency? If I'm WAAAAAAAY off base on where you were headed with that comment, forgive me. If I'm right - you need to go hang out with cooch. I'm not accusing - I'm asking a question.
Name: itsabouttime
Email: itsabouttime
Date: 10/2/2009 1:26:14 PM
Message:
Good news today! Elizabeth Edwards is reportedly getting the good sense enough to divorce her cheating, lying, sleeze bag husband John Edwards. This after finding out Rielle Hunter is not the only affair he has had over the years. Elizabeth, my heart goes out to you for battling cancer and dealing with your private family issues in the public eye. But, its time!!
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 10/2/2009 12:52:48 PM
Message:
I wrote this on 10/1, prior to being "accused" of bringing up a Clinton-era bill out of context:
"In 1999, Republican Congressman Wally Herger sponsored a “lockbox” bill in the House of Representatives. This law would have restricted Congress from using money borrowed from the Social Security program to spend on other government programs. It passed the House by a vote of 416 to 12.
* Senate rules allow for a “filibuster,” in which certain votes can be blocked unless 60 of the Senate’s 100 members agree to let it take place. In the Senate, Republicans attempted to bring this bill up for a vote and it was blocked by a filibuster conducted by Democrats"
This post was completely off the subject; was not meant as a reference to any other bill. It simply illustrates how congress, namely democrats who have no sense of fiscal conservatism, refuses to address the SS dilemma.
They won't agree to keep their hands off social security funds, but certainly use a 50-vote maneuver meant for budget extensions to approve a multi-trillion dollar health care bill.
Just so everyone understands what congress does with surplus SS funds: they are loaned to congress! Congress uses the money to pay for whatever program they fancy and issue a IOU to a file (in the form of a bond). Real money for fake money, essentially. Bonds that represent the debt are located in a file cabinet at the Bureau of Public Debt in Parkersburg, West Virginia.
Democrats DO NOT want to lose access to this money, of course. This practice only further aids in devaluation of the dollar.
How bad is it now? Pretty bad, thanks to democrats borrowing from the fund. As of way back in June, 2008, the U.S. government owed $2.36 trillion to the Social Security program. This comes to $7,800 for every man, woman, and child living in the United States.
* At the start of 2017, the U.S. government is projected to owe $3.5 trillion (2008 dollars) to the Social Security program. This comes to $10,400 for every man, woman and child who is expected to be living in the United States at that time.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/2/2009 11:35:29 AM
Message:
I have an idea. Let's try to get the word to dear president that we appreciate the $10 million cost we just paid for him and Oprah and the rest to fly to Denmark to loby for the Olympics (Chicago was just eliminated, which is a huge relief to Chicagoans) but please be a president now.
The unemployment rate rose to 9.8 percent in September as employers cut far more jobs than expected, evidence that the longest recession since the 1930s is still inflicting widespread pain.
The official jobless rate stopped short of topping 10 percent only because the Labor Department doesn't count people who have given up looking for work or settled for part-time jobs.
Unemployment, recession, increasing debt, health care program no one wants, 4 more huge spending bills lined up in congress financed by deficit, devaluing US dollar, etc. Olympics? What planet does this man live on?
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/2/2009 10:31:45 AM
Message:
Let’s try to de-mystify the SS mess in this discussion for some in the audience who may not understand. Bush's plan for privatizing SS funds is reported here by MSNBC. Perhaps they are lying, or confusing the issue? Perhaps, but there was indeed such a plan for modernizing social security, that was squashed by democrats regardless of anyone's desire to pretend it wasn't there. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7659512/ns/politics/
Bennett's participation in the ordeal is reported here: http://www.redorbit.com/news/general/157364/bush_backs_social_security_bill_without_accounts/index.html
I previously quoted this from that article: "Bush's nod to Utah Sen. Bob Bennett's plan comes as public polls show that most Americans do not support the president's handling of the Social Security issue. Congress has been deadlocked on it."
I feel completely at ease inside discussing something pertaining to a bill that I found in the news. I didn’t know that wasn’t allowed.
Now, simply because it was not a popular plan doesn't erase the plan from history.
Then, we brought in HR 3304 and introduced him to the group.
When you bring a bill into conversation, demand document numbers, etc. It is always wise to look at the date and text of the bill you cite as the sole basis for your argument. In the past I have caught myself not doing just that, confused two bills and apologized for the mistake publicly. I know Bill Clinton was president in 1999, which was the year of the "lock box" bill; the privatization concept was backed by none other than GW Bush in 2005/2006. No matter how you slice it, there it is. HR 3304 (introduced 7/14/2005) which specifically talks about individual accounts! That mystery should now be solved, Scooby Doo style.
The original argument, we should all remember, was "what did Bush ever do about SS, Bush did nothing about SS", something along those lines. Well, a more accurate statement would be, "Bush made attempts to address the impending SS funding crisis but failed to produce a plan that congressional Democrats would support". JUST like many presidents before him. To claim otherwise is simply misleading, and absolutely without basis in fact. Especially when it becomes obvious through a small amount of "Googling" that anyone without other resources could accomplish. Discrediting a former president by reference to the wrong bill and trash-talking Bob Bennett is nothing more than a smoke screen to cloud the current opposition to the sitting president's policies.
This doesn't have to be this complicated... Then again I didn't say this: "The proposal that Al refers to was sponsored by Rep Jim McCrery from La. in 2005 not Bennett. It had nothing to do with revenue "deficits". It was simply to stop the revenues from being used for purposes other than sustaining the Social Security system.". Well, this bill is actually quite detailed in laying out plans for individual private social security accounts. You just have to read it.
I think the horse is decayed now, and rendered to dust. Scooby dooby doo.
Name: Mtngirl
Email: joaninjasper@hotmail.com
Date: 10/2/2009 7:33:43 AM
Message:
Aw thank you Marine, I didn't think anybody noticed my post in the midst of all these brainy messages.
Semper Fi my dear!
Name: Firestorm
Email: BEES!@BEES!.BEES!
Date: 10/1/2009 9:02:57 PM
Message:
Speaking of the good old Nixon days...
Name: Firestorm
Email: BEES!@BEES!.BEES!
Date: 10/1/2009 9:00:51 PM
Message:
Anyone else see the Empire State draped in the colours of Red China?
Anyone know where I can get a Kuomintang/Republic of China/Taiwanese flag? Fly it from the Pickens County Courthouse on Double Ten Day.
Name: Chuck
Email: chendrixjr@frontiernet.net
Date: 10/1/2009 8:33:52 PM
Message:
Perhaps Rob is confusing the issue, again, as is usual,. You make a profound statement that the Democrats blocked Bushes attempts to "fix" social security now the sky is falling. You also stated precisely that it was a bill submitted by Bennett. That is not a true statment but never-the-less you made it. Now you refer to a bill submitted in 1999. Must I remind you Bush was not president in 1999, therefore how could a democratic controlled congress as you put it have crushed "his" effort to "fix" social security when he was not even president then. You made the statement not me, Now you try to dance around to a different time period. So typical Rob. So typical. You say one thing to incite anger. When someone shows your full of nonsense, you try to say something else and ignor the crap you already threw out there like it doesn't exist. Do you have any factual information or just things you make up? I'm not the one that is confused. You made the statements not me.
Name: Al
Email: arothejr@etcmail.com
Date: 10/1/2009 6:53:59 PM
Message:
First to Chuck: I did not indicate that Bush was trying to fix Social Security although if you read the bill it certainly was meant as a step in addressing the problems of Social Security. Your statement about Bush and H.R. 3304 is your opinion and you are welcome to it. However, I’m sure you understand the last part of the description of H.R. 3304 that you posted: “by dedicating those surpluses to personal accounts.” I assume you understand that this description is referring to private social security accounts. Therefore I also assume you side with Rob and I against those silly statements made by Pinto.
To Pinto: See above and move on to some other indefensible position.
Back to Chuck: You are pretty loose with your accusations. I would like to see you explain how Bob Bennett was a “a key player in the Watergate Building illegal wiretapping “. That simply is not factual; he was a minor player at best and a trial witness and he was never accused of being a criminal until now (as far as I can tell). I will apoligize if you can show me some evidense of his conviction. Of course Bob Bennett had nothing to do with HR 3304; Bob Bennett is a Senator. I would refer you to S.2427 “Sustainable Solvency First for Social Security Act of 2006”. This most certainly was a Bob Bennett Sponsored Bill. It was submitted in 2006, a lot closer to 2005 than to 2009!
That's it, I'm done doing Chuck's and Pinto's research on this issue. Let's move on!
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/1/2009 4:57:38 PM
Message:
BillyBob, the Taliban, like the progressives do believe the end justify the means. Muslims are not allowed to poison their bodies with things like opium and beer. The extremist have no problem with poisoning other people with it and profitting their cause from it. New intel suggests however, that the majority of their funding is coming from donations from wealthy sympathisers as a result of the allies clamp on the drug trade.
Of course, that won't matter soon when Obama no longer targets these exporters of terror. There is a new Sharia college opening in CA soon.
I really enjoyed hearing about the PM of Austrailia telling muslims that his country has one constitution, follow our laws or find somewhere else to live. I do wish our president would make a similar satement of policy.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/1/2009 4:27:42 PM
Message:
Obama’s Priorities
From CBS News’ 60 Minutes interview with Commander, U.S. Forces Afghanistan, General Stanley McChrystal:
Asked how often he talks to the president, McChrystal said, “I’ve talked to the president since I’ve been here once on a VTC.”
“You talked to him once in 70 days?” Martin asked.
“That’s correct,” McChrystal replied.
From the Los Angeles Times profile of Service Employee International (SEIU) President Andy Stern
Stern has enjoyed considerable entree to the new administration — starting on Inauguration Day, when he joined Obama and the new president’s family on the reviewing stand outside the White House to watch the inaugural parade.
Stern estimates he visits the White House once a week.
Name: Chuck
Email: chendrixjr@frontiernet.net
Date: 10/1/2009 3:05:09 PM
Message:
And once again you selectively cut and paste information you think supports your ridiculous position. The title alone tells anyone with a brain what that legislature was for. It was to block the use of Social Security funds by the government for purposes other than social security. That proposal, H.R. 3304 was submitted to BLOCK the use of funds, not to bail it out, not to fix it, not to control the funds, but to protect them from the government. Nice try. And it was not Robert Bennett that submitted it before congress as you stated. Now you say he was asked to support it by Bush.. Are you sure either one of those events occurred?
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 10/1/2009 3:03:28 PM
Message:
Big Mistake.. Obama said Gen. Stanley McChrystal was his man. Now he isn't listening to him but rather listening to many others. Reminds me of an old saying...
"Never hire a Master to paint a picture then bring in school children to judge his work."
Obama, let the general do his job.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/1/2009 2:16:28 PM
Message:
What really bothers me about double-talkers is illustrated by none other than Obama in his speech today to the democrat governors when he said "We have put people back to work in this country". Just today.
The unemployment figures are in for September: another 561,000 jobs were lost.
This president does not live on the same planet the rest of us live on.
Name: dazed and confused
Email: billybob
Date: 10/1/2009 1:56:32 PM
Message:
On the heroin thing, have you every heard that the heroin they posses actually 'makes' its way into the US somehow? - to drug companies and the such?????
Its goes as deep as Oliver North.... and the corruption of the CIA.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/1/2009 1:50:02 PM
Message:
The gentleman who posted the outrage over HR 3304 by saying it "Had nothing to do with Bush trying to "fix" Social Security" may be confusing the issue.
The bill he refers to is actually HR 1259 of 1999, the Social Security "lock box" bill which is the legislation that was ACTUALLY designed to limit what congress could do with the surplus funds in the account.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/1/2009 1:37:51 PM
Message:
Thank you for the kind words Pinto. Especially the words about my mental capacity.
I really enjoyed the part when you said, "I've read HR 3304 and there's nothing in it about privatized accounts."
I guess you read a different HR 3400 than the one on record in congress. Tell another zinger, there Pinto. I'm starting to enjoy your baseless, meaningless positions.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/1/2009 1:02:51 PM
Message:
What the gentleman poster said is not entirely accurate. In fact it is almost completely false. Perhaps some text from HR 3304 will help. (Here we go more text)
HR 3304: INVESTMENT OF ACCOUNTS
`SEC. 256. (a) Designation of Certified Account Managers- Under the Program, a certified account manager shall be designated by or on behalf of each participating individual to hold for investment under this section the account assets of such individual's GROW account.
`(b) Procedure for Designation- Any designation made under subsection (a) shall be made at such times and in such form and manner as shall be prescribed in regulations prescribed by the Board. Such regulations shall provide for annual selection periods during which participating individuals may make designations pursuant to subsection (a). Designations made pursuant to subsection (a) during any such period shall be irrevocable for the one-year period following such period, except that such regulations shall provide for such interim designations as may be necessitated by the decertification of a certified account manager. Such regulations shall provide for such designations made by the Board on behalf of a participating individual in any case in which a timely designation is not made by the participating individual.
`(c) Investment- The account assets of a participating individual's GROW account which are not necessary for immediate withdrawal (including administrative costs charged in accordance with section 259(e)(1)) shall be invested on behalf of such participating individual by the certified account manager as follows…
You get the idea. Al accurately quoted the AFSCME’s opinion on the legislation. If you read the bill, you will notice that HR 3304 had quite a lot to do with SS reform, actually. Regardless of your opinions of Bob Bennett.
I don’t think we’re really going to go into a discussion about political figures who have shady pasts are we? We have an administration full of them right now. But here we go anyway, just so everyone knows the truth:
A brush with the Watergate scandal in 1972 almost brought Bennett’s political career to an end. E. Howard Hunt, who had worked for the lobbying firm before Bennett bought it, planned the break-in of the Democratic National Committee offices. It later came to light that Mullen & Co. was a CIA front, and many—including, at one time, President Nixon himself—believed that Bennett was Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward’s “Deepthroat.” Accusations flew over Bennett’s possible involvement in the break-in, but the Senator has denied any wrongdoing. “It completely changed the course of my career,” Bennett says.
Bob Bennett was actually pretty far from being a “key player” or the hardened criminal in your characterization, but was loosely connected to the CIA front.
He wasn’t convicted of anything.
He was simply asked by president Bush in 05 to help power his SS bill. I hardly think one has to have nerve to speak of historical facts. Facts like there was indeed a bill that did in fact pertain to sustaining Social Security and it had in fact no democratic support.
And the truth will, in fact, set you free.
Name: pinto colvig
Email: not@home
Date: 10/1/2009 12:23:18 PM
Message:
Al - now now...that article is from the unions, who are on the same side as ACORN who, as you just said, along with their associates can never be trusted about anything - even if they present the facts. as a good Republican like myself, you should not believe one word of this union's editorial (not a news article) about ss privatization. the piece takes an obvious anti-privatized stance, and therefore skews the facts to suit their own agenda. I've read HR 3304 and there's nothing in it about privatized accounts.
Robot - you have never been rigth about anything. again, you post meaningless statistics with dubious relevance to the question at hand, either because you can't follow a simple conversation, you are desperate, or whatever reason. anyway thanks to you, al and others for proving my point..and I never blamed the ss problem on bush, you would know that if you had any sentient capacity...
Name: Marine
Email: marine1
Date: 10/1/2009 12:16:25 PM
Message:
Chuck, good post, but to who?
Name: Chuck
Email: chendrixjr@frontiernet.net
Date: 10/1/2009 11:29:39 AM
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TO: [Name Deleted] and AL: H.R. 3304 Had nothing to do with Bush trying to "fix" Social Security. It was put before Congress to stop Congress from using Social Security Tax revenue's for other purposes. Title: To amend the Social Security Act and the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to stop the Congress from spending Social Security's tax revenue surpluses on other Government programs by dedicating those surpluses to personal accounts.
Pretty ridiculous that anyone would have the nerve to bring up Bennetts name. Remember Robert Bennett from the good old Nixon days? He was a key player in the Watergate Building illegal wiretapping. You do not remember that little piece of information? It would be wise for anybody to ignor anything this criminal has to say. Not to mention the assertion by the mis-informed one that Bennett submitted a bill in 2005 is not true. He submitted nothing until Feb 2009. The proposal that Al refers to was sponsored by Rep Jim McCrery from La. in 2005 not Bennett. It had nothing to do with revenue "deficits". It was simply to stop the revenues from being used for purposes other than sustaining the Social Security system. If you could produce some evidence instead of saying you know something to be a fact and that somebody should not question you,and your not going to repeat yourself, you would produce it. You have nothing because it does not exist. That is the m.o. on this message board however so I'm certainly not the least surprised.
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 10/1/2009 11:15:57 AM
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Guard, you may find this little fact interesting. In Pinto's words... where were you when this happened?
In 1999, Republican Congressman Wally Herger sponsored a “lockbox” bill in the House of Representatives. This law would have restricted Congress from using money borrowed from the Social Security program to spend on other government programs. It passed the House by a vote of 416 to 12.
* Senate rules allow for a “filibuster,” in which certain votes can be blocked unless 60 of the Senate’s 100 members agree to let it take place. In the Senate, Republicans attempted to bring this bill up for a vote and it was blocked by a filibuster conducted by Democrats
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/1/2009 11:10:49 AM
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For Old Gerd, Pinto, and all of the perpetual Bush-bashers out there who insist on blaming him for SS being insolvent in spite of congress and most other presidents as well, please note these facts:
In its 2000 budget, the Clinton administration stated that the Social Security Trust Funds
"do not consist of real economic assets that can be drawn down in the future to fund benefits. Instead, they are claims on the Treasury that, when redeemed, will have to be financed by raising taxes, borrowing from the public, or reducing benefits or other expenditures."
Further:
Projected financial status of the Social Security program: (CBO projections expanded)
Drivers: In 2010, baby boomers start to retire. Government spending on "other programs" increased exponentially
Time Period Financial Status
• 1984- 2016: The Social Security program brings in more money than it spends. The surplus money is loaned to the federal government.
• 2017-2041: The Social Security program spends more money than it brings in. The federal government pays back the money that the Social Security program has loaned to it with interest. The trust fund ends this period with a balance of zero.
• 2041-2082: The Social Security program runs annual deficits that accumulate to $36 trillion, which could be covered by (a) adding $4.3 trillion to the trust fund today, or (b) increasing payroll taxes 28% starting in 2041, rising to a 34% increase by 2082, or (c) reducing benefits by 21% starting in 2041, falling to a 24% reduction by 2082.
• 2083 and beyond: The Social Security Program runs annual deficits that could be covered by adding $9.3 trillion to the trust fund today.
Name: Billy Bob
Email: USA
Date: 10/1/2009 10:54:20 AM
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I'm curious about something: has anyone ever heard an explanation as to why the Taliban allows heroin trafficking to fund their efforts? I mean, they hate us for being infidels and morally corrupt (which is true, but that's a different story...), but heroin is bad news. I thought they executed people for far less. The end justifies the means?
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/1/2009 10:52:58 AM
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Welcome back, Old Gerd. My comments on William were addressed to Pinto, who apparently took on the cause. William just wanted a question answered and didn't see my responses due to the delay. Please familiarize yourself with the facts and history of SS reforms, and the current president's own inactivity before you pile on with your progressive friends who also don't know the facts. Makes you look like you are parroting.
Name: Marine
Email: marine1
Date: 10/1/2009 10:29:21 AM
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Mtngrl...Now that was cute!
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/1/2009 10:25:35 AM
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Hi Pinto. You are quite a piece of work. Hopefully you read Al’s post and we can put the SS issue of past presidents in the past, which is really where it is. The fact is, about every president since FDR has meddled with SS in some form and we are still in a mess. To blame Bush for this problem is to be shortsighted and ignorant. Government was never intended to be a provider of benefit entitlements. Most efforts in this area fail because of the inherent problems with bureaucracy plus politics and the need to fund these programs into infinity.
A troll? No, I’m just right concerning this issue. Where was I when Bush was in office? I can tell you I wasn’t afraid of Bush. I am afraid of a president who hates the idea of victory, consorts with communists and terrorists, thinks the constitution is outdated and personal freedoms exist by the grace of government instead of God. I don’t know what my military service has to do with this, but keep whining until you get it out of your system. Frankly, I don’t care about your ID, or SS number, or whatever kooky tangent you took. When you take your meds and return to the real world, read the following and learn something: (To everyone else, I apologize for the length of this post)
SS facts:
* The Social Security Act of 1935 set the wage threshold at $3,000. Income earned above this amount was not subject to Social Security taxes. This threshold was a fixed amount that was not indexed for inflation.
* Between 1950 and 1971, various Congresses and Presidents passed at least six laws to increase the threshold.
* In 1972, the Congress and Republican President Nixon passed a law to automatically index the threshold based upon the national average wage.
* In 1977, the Congress and President Carter passed a law that increased the threshold in 1979, 1980, and 1981 at higher rates than the growth in the national average wage.
* Since 1982, threshold increases have been based upon growth in the national average wage.
* In 1951, the wage threshold was 129% of the national average wage.
* In 2007, the wage threshold was 241% of the national average wage.
* In 2007, Social Security taxes accounted for about 25% of all federal tax collections.
* During the 2008 presidential race, Barack Obama’s campaign stated that he is considering increasing Social Security taxes on those making above $250,000/year by 2% to 4%.
* During the 2008 presidential race, John McCain pledged not to increase Social Security taxes
Financial Stability
* The Social Security program has an independent budget that is separate from the rest of the federal government.[71]
* Since 1982, Social Security has had surpluses ranging from $89 million to $190 billion per year. By law, these surpluses must be loaned to the federal government, which is obligated to pay the money back with interest. This is referred to as the “Social Security Trust Fund” and at the close of 2007 it had a balance of $2.2 trillion.
* Social Security is projected to continue having annual surpluses until 2017 at which point the federal government will owe $3.5 trillion to the Social Security program, or $10,400 for every man, woman and child living in the U.S. at the time.
* In 2017, the Social Security program is projected to start having annual deficits that will be covered by collecting on the money it has loaned to the federal government. By 2041, it is projected that all of this money will be paid back and the trust fund will be exhausted.
* After 2041, Social Security is projected to have deficits every year into the foreseeable future. To cover these shortfalls, it is projected that payroll taxes would need to be increased by 28% starting in 2041, rising to a 34% increase by 2082. This shortfall could also be covered by reducing benefits by 21% starting in 2041, falling to a 24% reduction by 2082.
* There are several other ways to quantify Social Security’s projected deficits. One is to calculate how much money must be immediately added to the trust fund so that the principle and interest would cover the shortfalls through 2082. This is referred to as the “75-year unfunded obligation” and currently amounts to $4.3 trillion ($4,300,000,000,000This is equivalent to 5.5 times the total income for Social Security in 2007, or an additional $26,000 from every person who paid Social Security taxes in 2007.
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 10/1/2009 9:39:05 AM
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William Padgett, no problem. I think our wires were crossed, and then Pinto decided to but in. Thanks for your input, you have a great day too.
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