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Name: melissa gillette
Email: melissagillette07@yahoo.com
Date: 10/21/2009 12:08:45 PM
Message:
How is chooch letting people pay his way??? He served his time in the military and now recieves a retirement pay? How can you compare that to unemployed or people who don't want to work a job because it is below them? For a so called nam vet you sure have some screwed up views of retirement. Chooch gave more than just time to this country, he also gave the right to live a nice life pain free. What have you done for us Namvet, other than run your mouth and give us someone to laugh at?
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 10/21/2009 11:57:23 AM
Message:
Rob...your so right it scares some of these fellers. I know you have their number, keep up the good work.
Now watch them move in to discredit us, which is a standard procedure, but we have them pegged huh?
By the way, have you tried eating dog yet?
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/21/2009 11:13:30 AM
Message:
I don't expect anything else from the progressives (Old Gerd, Pinto, and the others who surface from time to time with renewed attacks) than Saul Alinsky's 13th "rule for Radicals":
“The thirteenth rule: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Explaining just how far progressives must be willing to go to marginalize their “enemies” Alinsky explains a few pages later:
"Many liberals during our attack on the then-school superintendent, were pointing out that after all he wasn’t a 100 percent devil, he was a regular churchgoer, he was a good family man, and he was generous in his contributions to charity. Can you imagine in the arena of conflict charging that so-and-so is a racist bastard but then diluting the impact of the attack with qualifying remarks such as, “He is a good churchgoing man, generous to charity and a good husband”? This becomes political idiocy."
It's the same old tactic. Conservatives are racists, "go to hell", etc. We just all should become aware of this radical mindset and react accodingly.
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 10/21/2009 11:02:32 AM
Message:
Jeep, not if you prepare it right. Dog meat was discovered during the Korean War. It is a delightful dish prepared with turnip greens. J/K
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 10/21/2009 10:55:32 AM
Message:
Jeep, your right. Chooch is in favor of getting disability checks even though he can do research work. Just don't call it socialism. He demonstrats everyday that he is disabled even though he does personal research work. And his buddy Bozo of course would disagree since he disagrees with everyone. Actually Bozo has a mental disability and should claim max benifits. We can all pay for their crap can't we?
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 10/21/2009 10:51:32 AM
Message:
Such a hoot...Chooch your back and telling us your life story again.
Keep in mind not all of us want to work for McDonalds. Some of us, like yourself, prefer to let others pay our way. Getting a disability check should mean your disabled. If you can type on this board then maybe you should be typing for an office making your own living. You think your a good researcher too. So get a job doing research work and dump the welfare. But no, you prefer to let others work and pay for you by using some excuse about your back. Such a sham......
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/21/2009 10:05:42 AM
Message:
Jeep-you are right. They just change the name. Progressivism is the new socialism.
The AP reported yesterday that the administration is thinking we should accept 10% unemployment as the new norm. The auto industry has long been used as the litmus test by the labor department to show changes in the employment situation but they are now run by Obama and the socialists. Only a real progressive from the Alinsky school of social justice would make a blanket statement that all people who can't find work during the worst economic times in 30 years are LAZY. It is true some folks do get lucky. Personally, I have interviewed 7 times since last November. Most recently I was up against 300 people who the Maintenance Superintendant of Publix chose to interview, then whittled that number down to 7. I was one of 7 guys- all the cream of the crop in the maintenance industry, interviewing for 1 position. There are just too many of us out there. If one believes that the economy is just fine because there are a few 6 dollar an hour jobs out there, that person is blind as a bat, or trying to mislead. Again, in my own defense I have indeed applied, in person, to every grocery store to bag groceries among things. Is it a sign that the economy is just fine, (praise Obama) if a highly skilled and experienced electomechanical technician, movie special effects inventor, project manager gets work bagging groceries? The socialists say AMEN to that! Of course the truth is a year ago the economy had many more $40 an hour workers participating in the market. 10% of those guys are now earning nothing or minimum wage. What is the impact? Millions more now pay less taxes (attention liberals!) and spend less money on things they want or need. Sooooo, guess what? Taxes go up. Millage rates increase so the gov. can flat line revenue and increase their budgets!
The moral is, kids, the rosy picture painted by the progressives is simply a load of BS to get us to go back to sleep, and convince you that people like me are lazy. I would define lazy as someone who goes on the public dole while refusing to work. I don't take government money. In fact I just remodeled a house out of state for 3 weeks. The owner is a conservative and refuses to hire illegals.
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/21/2009 10:02:05 AM
Message:
Chooch...You are correct...there are "some" jobs. But why rush back to work only to receive less pay for more work...Why not just enjoy a nice vacation and collect unemployment...
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/21/2009 9:15:07 AM
Message:
Rob...I'll give my opinion on your last post. I think a lot of liberals are in favor of socialism as long as you don't call it socialism.
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/21/2009 9:09:46 AM
Message:
Old Guard....I won't disagree with your views on the Korean war. You were there..I wasn't even born yet. I have talked to soldiers who have been in Iraq and their views are very different than what the media portrays. They actually talk about the good we are doing over there. So I have to ask..Why do you think the public is so accepting of the media reports even though it greatly differs from a lot of what the soldiers are saying? Also..Thank you for your service to this country.
Name: Chooch
Email: chendrixjr@frontiernet.net
Date: 10/21/2009 8:24:24 AM
Message:
Unemployment. Quite a subject. Here's some news for all the lazy, worthless people crying about unemployment and not being able to find a job. My son and his family moved here a week ago Saturday. Both my son and his wife have found employment right here in Jasper in exactly one week. The problem with the whiners is that they either have no skills or they will not do the work that is available to them. They think they are "special" and can only work in a field or job they WANT to do, not what they are qualified to do or are available. It's a lot easier to blame the state of the economy for unemployment than to admit they are simply useless to society and NOT WILLING to actually work as long as they can collect unemployment. Bunch of losers. Only losers can't find a job if they really want to work. The same people that cry about illegal aliens taking all the jobs. Most of the jobs that the "illegals" supposedly take are labor intensive, like all forms of construction. The type of jobs that people that make noise about unemployment would never take. They would not take them because it would actually require "working" and not standing around with a cup of coffee in one's hand.
Name: Al
Email: arothejr@etcmail.com
Date: 10/20/2009 9:44:47 PM
Message:
Old Guard, You may have served in Korea (only you know if that is true) but you certainly don't understand the historical facts concerning that conflict. I debunked some of your outlandish statements back in June. I have studied this War a bit; I have a MIA cousin who is now listed as killed while captured. If you want me to I will "cut and paste" your post and mine!
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/20/2009 7:30:43 PM
Message:
Old Guard...Does dog really taste like chicken?
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 10/20/2009 6:25:26 PM
Message:
Sorry, Old Gerd. I forgot to respond to one of your better points.
"Like I said, I WAS THER!! I SAW FROZEN BODIES OF MY OWN MEN!!"
First I will say I'm sorry for your experience but we all saw hellish things in country. I saw many dead men, drowned, burned alive, etc. as well. Some who never came home save for their gear. God has them now, and that's that. That however does not give us licence to turn Marxist and blame our country for what happened to us. War is hell, and we're still here. Get over yourself.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/20/2009 6:13:59 PM
Message:
Old Fart,
Thanks for the quote. I performed a fact check and went to Snopes, and you’re right- “Go To Hell” is a legitimate quote. Great work on uncovering that for us. In response I will say, “you first”. Fact-check that one.
As for the Korean War, I guess we must go back to that every time you get your panties in a wad. My father was there too. Served as a grunt in the infantry. He turned out to be a lot less bitter, angry and petty as you are. You have an axe to grind, for some reason and have turned your anger against your country. That is a shame, but you’re not the only one. There are a few other vets out there, though not quite your age, who have turned their backs on the constitution and turned socialist on us. I pray for you men with lost souls. Oh by the way I did try dog once. Can’t say I liked it but you do what you have to do.
The truth is, Old Schlub, nobody, least of all me can EVER convince you of anything concerning the Korean conflict. You have stewed over your convictions for what, 55 years or so? It is too late for you. All I can do is try to save people (WHO CAN STILL REASON) from turning on our country and allowing the Obama’s to turn them on to socialism. You gave up on us long ago, and you will ultimately answer to that, but not to me.
(Here’s a tip for you: You lost the argument at “go to hell”. Take your pills and have a nap, we’ll wake you up after 2010.)
Name: pinto colvig
Email: not@home
Date: 10/20/2009 5:19:12 PM
Message:
Jeep - what are you talking about? I thought you were talking about this country going into debt. oh yea...changing the subject. thats the conservatives method of admitting an adversary is right. thank you jeep, one more time I have made you see the light. now if only this time you would remember it!!!!
Robot - clowns never die! and I suppose you were a big fan of chiang kai-shek, the free-enterprise-lovin mass murderer who sprouted in opposition to mao tse-tung? man you are bass-ackwards. good thing the majority of this country supports looking forward, peace-making, having fun, and trying to break down the barriers to equality, rather than trying to preserve your beloved ideals of hatred, discrimination, and segregation. by the way, you can tell Robot is about to break, because all he does now is repeat the same insults back at people who have hurled those insults at him. "I know you are but what am I?" I think you were mistaken when you served in the military - you took an oath to preserve *freedom* Not *tyranny* which you love...because you have obviously failed...
NonVet - please calm down and learn to read. you demonstrate again the reason why not just me, but no one on this board thinks you have ever said anything that turned out to be correct. but you already know that, as you changed the subject yourself, acknowledging I was right about whatever I said that spurred the rant you just posted...
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/20/2009 3:39:28 PM
Message:
I would like the liberals in the class to defend Obama's Mao Tse Tung quote from his inauguration speech if you still believe these people do not idolize Chairman Mao:
Obama:
"I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here, but we're going to have to work. We're going to have to struggle. We're going to have to fight."
Chairman Mao:
"The ill wind of opportunism is falling, the righteous wind of socialism is on the rise.
By the end of this year the victory of socialism will be greatly assured. Naturally there will be many struggles ahead and we must struggle hard."
Any takers?
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/20/2009 3:31:56 PM
Message:
Melissa, I read Keith's post and didn't find anything about age he wrote as offensive. Everyone has their triggers though, you must have taken a lot of guff in the past for you and your husband's age difference. You can't go through life protecting everyone from being offended because of their personal choices or situation. Sounds like this guy was just curious about the coroner's age, so what? Just relax a little.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/20/2009 3:09:05 PM
Message:
Have you people seen this? We know that Anita Dunn, white house communications director considers Mao Tse Tung one of her biggest inspirations. She said so in her own words. Now we discover that Obama's manufacturing czar Ron Bloom is also a big follower of Mao:
http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-czar-agrees-with-mao-too-and-thinks-free-market-is-nonsense/
To all who complain to me about czar-bashing: please note that the current administration is full of radicals, socialists and communists. This should spark concern and even rebellion from conservatives AND liberals who love this country and its constitution. Especially from those like me and the Marine who took an oath to protect and defend it against ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic!
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/20/2009 2:40:33 PM
Message:
Pinto, for someone who is not an Obama supporter you sure are an Obama supporter. Please pick a platform, a side of the fence or anything that resembles a belief.
By the way, you sure write well for someone who died in 1967. You sure are doing a disservice to a genuinely nice man and entertainment pioneer who was Pinto Colvig.
Name: Old Guard
Email:
Date: 10/20/2009 2:11:24 PM
Message:
Rob,
Here's a quote for you "Go to hell".
Your problem is that you have an answer to everything whether you know or not the answer. You can not take correction when wrong. You do not tell all the truth (as evident in you only posting the 8 of 12 maxiums that fit your slant on things) and base your opinion on what others tell you to think.
As for the Korean War. My God man!, I was there. I was 19 years old then and lived through it. We did not have the soft soap schooling of today. If you are so full of knowledge... show me on what you base you gray area logic. Like I said, I WAS THER!! I SAW FROZEN BODIES OF MY OWN MEN!! I saw what the so called Koreans would do to one another. Have you ever had to eat a dog just to survive in country? I have!!
Now that my blood pressure is up...I ask again what evidence (other than words) do you present to prove me wrong about my understanding on the Korean War?
Name: NamVet
Email:
Date: 10/20/2009 2:10:59 PM
Message:
Pinto I have watched your postings on this board for some time now. I don't care who wrote it or what they said, you disagree and make idiotic statements. You call people "Racist" because you think it makes you look smart and "in the know." You constantly call people "liars" if they don't agree with your nonsense. You twist words and meanings of sentences so you can continue to play your games. Why don't you just grow up and knock off the crap. You certainly can't be taken serious by anyone with more than a 3rd grade education.
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/20/2009 2:04:19 PM
Message:
Pinto...tell me of another presidency in which the government took control of automakers, banks, and pushing to take over healthcare ...all within the first year.
Name: BillyBob
Email: USA
Date: 10/20/2009 1:40:58 PM
Message:
Jeep, that is the horror that must not ever be spoken of (again). Thanks for that - now I'll have nightmares.
Name: Neidermeyer
Email:
Date: 10/20/2009 1:38:43 PM
Message:
Blutto - fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life. Now shape up.
Name: pinto colvig
Email: not@home
Date: 10/20/2009 12:17:24 PM
Message:
jeep - just keep telling yourself that. we know how you really think, if you believe obama "taking it to a new level" even resembles a fact you've heard from anyone besides glenn beck and rush limbough...
Name: Keith@etc
Email: Keith@etc
Date: 10/20/2009 12:06:27 PM
Message:
Melissa...I don't care if he is 30. I just didn't think he looked that young. Thats all. You have the right to marry anyone spite there age. Calm down Tiger.
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 10/20/2009 11:57:07 AM
Message:
Blutto, love the poem but tell me something. Have you ever gotten a job from a poor man? Has any society ever taxed itself into prosperity? Who will create jobs when there are no more rich people? The government? Keep thinking that.
Name: brother blutto
Email: animalhouse.org
Date: 10/20/2009 11:47:40 AM
Message:
The tax mans taken all my dough, And left me in my stately home,
Lazing on a sunny afternoon. And I cant sail my yacht,
He's taken everything Ive got, All Ive gots this sunny afternoon.
Save me, save me, save me from this squeeze.
I got a big fat tax assessor trying to break me.
And I love to live so pleasantly,
Live this life of luxury,
Lazing on a sunny afternoon.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/20/2009 11:42:43 AM
Message:
Well kids, the senate finance committee filed its version of health care yesterday.
"The Senate Finance Committee filed its sweeping health care reform bill Monday and its release served largely to highlight the divisions among Democrats over the direction of reform.
The massive, 1,500 page bill is expected to serve as the backbone for Democratic reform efforts going forward and five senators expressed concerns about one of its main provisions, a 40 percent tax on high-end insurance plans.
The tax is designed to pay for reform and lower costs by making the so-called Cadillac plans less attractive for insurers to offer. Under the bill, a plan that costs an individual more than $8,000 and a family more than $21,000 annually would be subject to the tax.
But Democratic Sens. John Kerry, Chuck Schumer, Robert Menendez, Debbie Stabenow and Jay Rockefeller are concerned that the threshold that defines a Cadillac plan is too low and will whack middle-class people."
For all the people who must own crystal balls out there, read again that the bill was filed yesterday, Monday 10/19. Here is the link, if anyone is interested: http://finance.senate.gov/press/Bpress/2009press/prb101909.pdf
This is referred to as the "Finance bill"... (S. 1796) and it's 1500 pages long. Note above some of the scorn this bill is getting on the basis of alllllll the new taxes this thing levies.
First, with the so-called "doc fix" bill S. 1776, The Obama administration is trying to add $247 billion in deficit health care spending one week, and then turn around and claim their health care plan is deficit neutral the next. Nice trick. This way the CBO score will be separate from the health care bill.
Meanwhile, back at the barn, Rahm Emanuel's covert team of democrats secretly negotiate the terms of the next monster spending bill for government takeover of health care. This after Obama promised us that these negotiations would be transparent, and broadcast on CSPAN. Quote: "To achieve health care reform, “I’m going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We’ll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies — they’ll get a seat at the table, they just won’t be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we’ll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay involved in this process.”
Every one of us, including the liberals, should be outraged by this.
Name: Rob
Email: robnavy1@yahoo.com
Date: 10/20/2009 10:27:07 AM
Message:
Guard, you're getting old. No I'm not dumb, but thanks for once again showing me what cards you are playing with.
I really wanted to see what your big problem is. You didn't like what I said about North Korea 3 or 4 months ago, so you waged this war of words based on that? Hell I called it like I saw it at the time. Now you can't get past the "Lincoln quote" issue, can you. Your needle is stuck. If you take off those red-tinted glasses, comrade, you will begin almost immediately to see things more clearly.
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/20/2009 9:39:35 AM
Message:
Keith....Unless the coroner has a twin brother with the same name he lives in Canton. [section deleted]. I am good friends with one of their neighbors in Canton. It has already been "investigated" and it seems a local attorney believes his Funeral home qualifies as a residence because it has an apartment in it. I always thought your residence was where you spent the "majority" of your time. He is actually only in his 30's. [section deleted] Much of this has been discussed previously on this board and appears to be common knowledge.
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/20/2009 9:29:54 AM
Message:
Old guard...I'm familiar with the quote and there are "many" variations of it. I actually like the quote. I think it describes our current society and government beliefs.
Name: melissa gillette
Email: melissagillette07@yaqhoo.com
Date: 10/20/2009 9:29:00 AM
Message:
Kieth what does his age have to do with anything? Or the age of his wife? I am 30 my husband is 58, we have a 3 year old daughter. Age means nothing when it come to how you act or how you perform a job, or how old your spouse is. It has been a long talked about issue that the coroner lives in Cherokee county. I think there was some sort of investigation on the topic, but can't be 100% sure. Many people have brought this up and say it should be grounds to boot him out of the position. I don't know him or even how good of a job he might or might not do, but if it is true that he does not live in pickens then he should be removed from the job.
Name: Marchmadness
Email: March@yahoo
Date: 10/20/2009 9:27:13 AM
Message:
The coroner is 31, The warden is 37. That is a FACT! not a rumor. I guess you can say [deleted]
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/20/2009 9:20:36 AM
Message:
Pinto...you are right on most politicians doing these things. Obama has taken it to new levels... and it has nothing to do with his skin color.
Name: Old Guard
Email:
Date: 10/19/2009 6:59:38 PM
Message:
Jeep,
I can't take credit for those lines.
Those two maxiums were attached to the same list of 8 or so that Rob posted earlier and said (incorrectly) that A. Lincoln had said them. Actually Rob and Ronald Reagan ignored these two to make the rest of the maxiums fit their ideas.
I'm neither Dem or Rep but I wish someone would strike this quote out of history since it never can be citated correctly.
Name: Old Guard
Email:
Date: 10/19/2009 6:49:40 PM
Message:
Rob,
Are you just dumb or something? What do you think we been talking about lately?
I'm talking about mis-quoting A. Lincoln with that prior post. Also, giving false information about the Korean War (I was there remember) being N. Korea's fault when the US did not live up to their agreement with the exiled Korean government that had been fighting the Japanese from lower China during WWII.
Sorry to phrase a response like this but shaort term memory loss seems to be a problem around here.
Name: Bob Hayles
Email: roberthayles@windstream.net
Date: 10/19/2009 6:24:29 PM
Message:
Billy Bob...Biden and Pelosi are commonly referred to among many as "Obama Life Insurance"...
Name: pinto colvig
Email: not@home
Date: 10/19/2009 5:40:16 PM
Message:
jeep's statement below is an example of racism. he or she says that Old Guard's two maxims on debt only apply to Obama. However, if you read these two maxims, and think about them in terms of all the white politicians decisions since world war II, they apply mostly to white presidents and congressmen. therefore, since jeep does not acknowledge this very simple and overly evident fact, blaming our debt and insecurity only on Obama when it is mostly the white people's fault, then jeep must be racist.
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/19/2009 4:04:21 PM
Message:
BillyBob...Worse yet...what if something happened to Obama and Biden. Imagine Pelosi as prez! Hilary might not have been so bad...
Name: Keith@etc
Email: Keith@etc
Date: 10/19/2009 3:50:41 PM
Message:
Jeep...True, True,! Does he really live in Cherokee County. If so pickens, should be ashamed , voting him in. I need to call Sheriff Craig. And ask him about this. How old is the coroner. I heard he is only 30. That can't be right. His wife is like 40 something. So I figured he was like 45. Is that a rumor?
Name: pinto colvig
Email: not@home
Date: 10/19/2009 3:42:01 PM
Message:
the conservatives fear of healthcare reform as "socialism" is no different than their fear of weak little harmless Iraq as a "grave threat to the world" - completely unfounded on facts, but wholely founded on extreme fear and racism. and the criticism of bush was based only on facts - remember the liberals saying "there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq," and "the tax cuts and wars will bring this country to financial ruin." do any of you conservatives remember that? well...it appears they were right. you folks have been right about NOTHING when it comes to obama, so your criticism can only be based on one thing - racism, which is a form of the extreme fear conservatives have so aptly demonstrated since they allowed Hitler to kill 6 milion people...
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 10/19/2009 3:41:36 PM
Message:
You are right, BillyBob. Good catch. You can't have it both ways Tammy!
The whole picture is bad: Next in line is Biden, then Pelosi. All we have at our disposal is the coming elections. I do hope Obama's health holds a few years!
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 10/19/2009 3:38:18 PM
Message:
Jeep, good point. It's not a big secret that MANY people voted for him simply because of his skin color! Which is the very definition of racism. That point is lost on the liberals.
Name: BillyBob
Email: USA
Date: 10/19/2009 2:35:15 PM
Message:
Anybody else catch in Tammy's diatribe that while she favors government intervention in health care / insurance, she goes on and describes where a government entity completely messed up a veteran's financial life? That kind of makes one of the points many of us are trying to make in opposition to any more intrusion by the feds.
It has nothing to do with race, my dear. I'll say this: Obama is bad but what if we had Biden as president? Hope Obama stays healthy....
Name: Rob
Email: Navy1
Date: 10/19/2009 2:04:29 PM
Message:
NamVet, they call us racists because they believe that shuts us up. The only thing they are accomplishing is showing us how shallow they are and in the meantime de-valuing the impact of the word "racist". Pretty soon "racist" will be so commonly used that it will be meaningless... thereby letting the real racists get washed out. But hey, sometimes it's fun to argue with idiots!
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/19/2009 1:52:13 PM
Message:
Keith...I'm okay with the coroner putting in a crematory as long as he uses his house in cherokee county to dispose of the bodies if it breaks. Don't want a scandal like that crematory a couple of years ago.
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/19/2009 1:40:24 PM
Message:
Since we are on the race issue..again. Am I the only one that thinks Obama was elected president because of his race not in spite of it. 99% of black people voted for him. I wouldn't have voted for him regardless of what color he was.
Name: jeep
Email: jeep@yahoo
Date: 10/19/2009 1:06:42 PM
Message:
Old Guard..."You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income," and, "You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money" ...I like these two statements. Sound like anyone..maybe Obama.
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